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    kyuven's Avatar
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    Chen Kotomi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhuni View Post
    Pray tell how you dodge a Primals ultimate I'd love to know lol
    the word "or" was in my statement for a reason.
    You dodge icicles, so you should only be eating one MAX and you should be moving during most of that phase anyway. Swiftcast is more valuable.
    The others usually go off slowly enough that you don't need the maybe one extra spell you'd get off in the half second of the attack, during which the boss is either off the map (Levi) or invulnerable (Titan, Garuda, Ifrit)
    And, again, swiftcast is better.
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    Player Bhuni's Avatar
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    Hugo Fact
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    Odin
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by kyuven View Post
    the word "or" was in my statement for a reason.
    You dodge icicles, so you should only be eating one MAX and you should be moving during most of that phase anyway. Swiftcast is more valuable.
    The others usually go off slowly enough that you don't need the maybe one extra spell you'd get off in the half second of the attack, during which the boss is either off the map (Levi) or invulnerable (Titan, Garuda, Ifrit)
    And, again, swiftcast is better.
    You seem to forget healers can also use Surecast you can heal through those certain attacks the moment you're hit by them under the effect of Surecast without being cancelled out of the cast instead of trying to time it right and risk being cancelled.
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    Lemuria Glitterhands
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    Ragnarok
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bhuni View Post
    You seem to forget healers can also use Surecast you can heal through those certain attacks the moment you're hit by them under the effect of Surecast without being cancelled out of the cast instead of trying to time it right and risk being cancelled.
    You seem to forget yourself that the chances of you getting interrupted by attacks is pretty small to begin with, and while there are are tiny percentage of big hitters which can do this none of them are used often enough that Swiftcast isn't the superior option.

    Surecast is just... rubbish. If it's so important to get that spell out, then Swiftcast is the better option simply for speed. However short, using both Swiftcast and Surecast requires time. With swiftcast, that extra time is negated because the resulting spell is instant. With Surecast, you have your normal casting times on top of that.

    Also, bear in mind that Surecast is NOT immune to the obvious pitfalls of Paralysis, Sleep, Stuns and so forth. If you're Paralyzed while in Surecast, the paralysis can still prevent you getting a spell off. Swiftcast has a far smaller margin for error in that situation.

    I've watched you desperately try to defend this worthless skill in this thread and while I can't help but admire your passion, it's impossible to take the posts seriously. In fact, I'm convinced we've all been successfully trolled.

    Honestly though, even if they allow Surecast to be used while moving it would still be pretty worthless. I think they just gave it to Thaumaturge because they ran out of ideas.
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