Surecast Enhancements, Please!

[Bhuni]

Makes sense.

What's surecast for then?

Surecast allows you finish casting whatever spell without being interrupted. Turn 5's fireball being one example I don't think it needs to be changed at all it doesn't make or break a fight but I'd rather not have one skill that does more or less the same as another.

[Atlaworks]

Surecast allows you finish casting whatever spell without being interrupted. Turn 5's fireball being one example I don't think it needs to be changed at all it doesn't make or break a fight but I'd rather not have another skill that does more or less the same as another.

But... Swiftcast does that too. So isn't that what swiftcast is for?

That seems redundant. It's like... Swiftcast is just a superior version of Surecast or something. If that were the case, that'd be worse than them doing the same thing because it would mean Swiftcast entirely invalidates Surecast.

[Bhuni]

But... Swiftcast does that too. So isn't that what swiftcast is for?

That seems redundant. It's like... Swiftcast is just a superior version of Surecast or something. If that were the case, that'd be worse than them doing the same thing because it would mean Swiftcast entirely invalidates Surecast.

Swiftcast can be used AFTER to recover your interrupted spell from an attack. Surecast is a prebuff to allow no interupts from the enemy during your next cast whilst rooted, cancelling the cast will remove the buff. On attacks that interrupt spells few they may be Surecast is superior.

[Atlaworks]

Swiftcast can be used AFTER to recover your interrupted spell from an attack. Surecast is a prebuff to allow no interupts from the enemy during your next cast whilst rooted, cancelling the cast will remove the buff. On attacks that interrupt spells few they may be Surecast is superior.

That's... that's not a thing. You can't interrupt a Swiftcasted spell because it makes it instant; there's no cast time to interrupt. Surecast is inferior in every way because it doesn't do anything Swiftcast doesn't do better.

[Bhuni]

That's... that's not a thing. You can't interrupt a Swiftcasted spell because it makes it instant; there's no cast time to interrupt. Surecast is inferior in every way because it doesn't do anything Swiftcast doesn't do better.

I said you can use swiftcast to recover from a previously interupted attack, no one where did I say you could interupt swiftcast.

[Atlaworks]

I said you can use swiftcast to recover from a previously interupted attack, no one where did I say you could interupt swiftcast.

Then how is surecast superior to swiftcast in any situation? You did say that.

Feel like Bhuni is arguing just to argue.

Honestly, OP has a point. If you can predict an interrupt to prebuff with Surecast, you could just as easily click the spell that is most likely already on your hotbar, not being useless AKA swiftcast.

To make matters worse, BOTH are also cross-classable. There's like no reason for Sure to exist outside pvp.

Actually, it's outclassed in PvP as well- the PvP action Equanimity allows casting without interruption by attacks for 10(15 traited) seconds, without expending the skill once you cast. It has a much longer recast time, but is essentially a far more potent Surecast.

[Bhuni]

I did not say any situation I said where interupted attacks are concerned it's better to prebuff Surecast for whatever attack that can interupt you instead of having to regain your lost GCD by using Swiftcast.

[Kuurei]

That's... that's not a thing. You can't interrupt a Swiftcasted spell because it makes it instant; there's no cast time to interrupt. Surecast is inferior in every way because it doesn't do anything Swiftcast doesn't do better.

Feel like Bhuni is arguing just to argue.

Honestly, OP has a point. If you can predict an interrupt to prebuff with Surecast, you could just as easily click the spell that is most likely already on your hotbar, not being useless AKA swiftcast.

To make matters worse, BOTH are also cross-classable. There's like no reason for Sure to exist outside pvp.