The Other Side of The (Raid) Force

[Sapphic]

Actually they have done right in Heavensward as they see the current locking of story behind hard group progression as wrong, There'll be a normal mode of Alexander for people to experience the story and the Savage mode for raider's to go bludgeon themselves in.

Alex normal has been stated as harder than CT. Yes, more will prbably get through it, but there will be some incapable of improving and will be stuck trying to get through it. Not to mention the more complex rotations players will need to learn to pass the content when there are still players who cant even figure out the simpler rotations we have now.

It wont be 24 person content so some bad players won't be able to be carried as easily as what happens in all the versions of CT.

Alex normal is aimed at mid tier difficulty, not face roll derp difficulty. But that won't stop lazy self entitled players jumping on the forums, when they realise it is too hard for them, crying on the forums for nerfs.

Everyone pays the same, true, but everyone has access to all the same content. It's upto the individual if they can improve themselves to a point they can clear it. If you want something enough, you will find a way. The only thing blocking you from content is yourself and how much effort you want to put in towards acheiving that goal. Not the game or SE.

[VarinaVashai]

World of Jokecraft and this.

As funny as it is to see silly names for World of Warcraft, you shouldnt turn a blind eye to the model that Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn has taken. If you go and look at the history and path WoW has taken, then look at the path ARR took. You might be surprised to see that it is the same, the difference is that ARR is in Final Fantasy skin. Oh and that World of Warcraft removed flying, because it was a decition they have regreted ever since they introduced it in The Burning Crusade. Because it reduced the world into nothing.

So you might dislike WoW all you want, as do i. But im not blind too what path FFXIV is on.

[Whiteroom]

I'd rather not have to do things I don't want to either, I do however enjoy playing with others even on content I've already beaten. No one person is an island.

Interesting statement in more than one way.

What about rainds do you "have" to do? In what way are they manditory?

You want them to be remade easier for you? But other people are the special ones?

Also, you want to

[Pterois]

"i suck" is one of the biggest cop-outs i've ever seen and I'm sorry but this just does not apply to almost everything in this game. TITAN EX DOES THE SAME MOVES EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!! It's called knowing what you are doing not "i suck"

Reaction time / lag / brain farts... all of these can EASILY be defeated if you just took 5 mins to look at a rotation list and say ok this is what i need to be ready for.

It's is 100% acceptable that you DO NOT get to experience something you can even put a minute amount of effort into accomplishing. Probably less than .05% of people on this entire form could get together with 7 other people and perform a choreographed dance number (successfully) without at least looking at the moves list first... so why in the hell would you expect to be able to do that in the game?

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

As funny as it is to see silly names for World of Warcraft, you shouldnt turn a blind eye to the model that Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn has taken. If you go and look at the history and path WoW has taken, then look at the path ARR took. You might be surprised to see that it is the same, the difference is that ARR is in Final Fantasy skin. Oh and that World of Warcraft removed flying, because it was a decition they have regreted ever since they introduced it in The Burning Crusade. Because it reduced the world into nothing.

So you might dislike WoW all you want, as do i. But im not blind too what path FFXIV is on.

Trust me no1 is more aware of this fact then me. And it depresses me greatly. If i wanted to faceroll an MMO i coulda just subbed to WoW. FFXIV definately seemed to have more depth to it, until recently when they started swinging the nerfbat harder than Babe Ruth.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

"i suck" is one of the biggest cop-outs i've ever seen and I'm sorry but this just does not apply to almost everything in this game. TITAN EX DOES THE SAME MOVES EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!! It's called knowing what you are doing not "i suck"

Ya i def agree, "I suck" is definately not an excuse. Almost as bad as saying "I suck at math, but can I have my civil engineering degree anyway?"

OF course we all know what any good teacher would tell you. "Study harder". If only Yoshi had more of a backbone.

[Kallera]

I am currently working on clearing T13, I have no problem doing the legwork behind raids, but I eventually lost my patience with the amount of time and sleep I had to sacrifice doing coil, while reading threads like these about just how people should "gitgud" and that casuals are ruining everything and everyone is soooo entitled.

If Alex nm turns out to be as bad or worse, then ill make whatever decisions with my sub then. I'm not even certain I want to do Alex because its not related to the calamity, and I was attached to finding out about 1.0s end.

But I am not going to suddenly appreciate people bitching about casuals, or keeping people out of content.

[Malevicton]

I am currently working on clearing T13, I have no problem doing the legwork behind raids, but I eventually lost my patience with the amount of time and sleep I had to sacrifice doing coil, while reading threads like these about just how people should "gitgud" and that casuals are ruining everything and everyone is soooo entitled.

If Alex nm turns out to be as bad or worse, then ill make whatever decisions with my sub then.

k? deciding whether or not you enjoy the content is how most people decide whether to keep playing, I'm pretty sure. Like, in any game. Sorry if that ruins the dramatic flair of your post.

I haven't seen anyone claiming casuals are ruining the game, but I do think there's a lot of entitlement in this thread. Do you not think so?

Edit @ your edit: I don't have a problem with casuals as a group. I have a problem with a handful of casuals who think they speak for every casual gamer. I'll probably continue bitching about things I don't like, just like literally everyone who's ever existed. Just like you're bitching about hardcores bitching about casuals. Can you still see the ground from a horse that high?

[Cynfael]

A lot of interesting stuff on this thread.

My two cents:

- I disagree with the notion that everyone is entitled to the same rewards (e.g. story progression) regardless of whether or not they successfully complete game objectives; it is a game, after all.

- I appreciate the frustration people can experience with raids. The team jump rope is real, and if you have especially a tank or healer not on the same page with everyone else, they can kill the raid.

- As others have said, being social and making an effort to learn the fights are key and will trump almost any inherent lack of gameplay learning ability. I suspect that almost all fights in the game were designed with this in mind so that almost everyone could succeed with enough practice.

[Kallera]

You know what? after t13, I'm done. I started raiding to try and belong, but its just not a group I enjoy being with. I get obssesed with their opinions and hearing about spoilers.

I'll take a good night's sleep over gaming accomplishment.