Stancedancing Techniques

[KisaiTenshi]

While I agree with this message, I believe there should be a small stipulation added to please do not push this line when playing with random PuGs. There's always going to be a random factor associated with these players. The players discussed by Viviza are those who are comfortable playing with zero safety net and do so constantly with their static and/or friends. You'll always want some form of safety net involved when partied with random players.

This is the point that is constantly missed... in damn near every thread.

Playing with a static is nothing like playing with PUG's. Every time you get a new PUG, you have to see where the limits are, and depending on your data center, you may end up with bad PUG's consistently enough. Playing with statics you already know where your static's limits are.

Like previously VanilleFang has said they play exclusively with PUG's like I do, but our experiences are completely different because I'm on the Primal center and a Legacy server and VanilleFang is on Aether and a non-legacy server.

Primal seems to consist of a lot of players that just want to faceroll or be carried. That again, has a lot to do with all the troll "gamer" communities taking up residence on Excalibur. So you just go into PUG's with that low expectation (which shows up all the time in 24-man labyrinth of trolls and world of derp) that half the party will ignore the mechanics. So it's infuriating to see healers full-time CS in those instances, like the CS is the "Super DPS mode", it's not. Instead of being an effective healer, you end up being a mediocre DPS and the main tank and everyone hates you. Use the CS when there is opportunity to DPS, not because you don't want to be a healer.

[VanilleFang]

data centres

Yeah. I can see this leading to healers viewing situation very differently. For me I may feel comfortable in CS where in a similar situation you would not.

It's good in a way that FFXIV is like this. But also kind of bad. Good in the way that you get a lot of different points of view and tips on a single scenario, but it's also bad because some strategies that work for me may not work for you. It can also make a bit of a messy argument at times.

I realize that may tips and playstyle may not be the best for every data centre, but it can be hard to look outside my own little world. lol

[Spoekes]

Yeah. I can see this leading to healers viewing situation very differently. For me I may feel comfortable in CS where in a similar situation you would not.

It's good in a way that FFXIV is like this. But also kind of bad. Good in the way that you get a lot of different points of view and tips on a single scenario, but it's also bad because some strategies that work for me may not work for you. It can also make a bit of a messy argument at times.

I realize that may tips and playstyle may not be the best for every data centre, but it can be hard to look outside my own little world. lol

I feel like this only counts for some strategies for bosses or primals etc.
It's delusional to think your whole datacenter is "different" and consists of lazy people and trolls more than others.

[VanilleFang]

I feel like this only counts for some strategies for bosses or primals etc.
It's delusional to think your whole datacenter is "different" and consists of lazy people and trolls more than others.

Perhaps. But it's possible, even if it's very slim. I'm not going to count it out.
I'm probably just sick of arguing right now. lol

[Spoekes]

Datacenters/PUG

I do not believe that Datacenters are the issue here and we seem all to PUG a lot.
It sounds like a far-fetched argument saying the whole datacenter is the issue, when the most common factor in every group is that you take the healer role.

I don't want to attack you but if it smells everywhere you go maybe you should check your own shoes.

[KisaiTenshi]

I do not believe that Datacenters are the issue here and we seem all to PUG a lot.
It sounds like a far-fetched argument saying the whole datacenter is the issue, when the most common factor in every group is that you take the healer role.

I don't want to attack you but if it smells everywhere you go maybe you should check your own shoes.

Please.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2993663

This is worse than usual. At least no healers said "I'm not healing this time" like last time.