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    Quote Originally Posted by Yumi_umi View Post
    enmity
    I'm pretty sure everyone here understands how Shroud works. the issue with what you said wasn't even with the possibility of pulling hate. It's a complete waste of MP and is unnecessary. Why are you even using Medica II when the tank might not have even taken damage? All you will be getting out of it is the regen effect, and most likely only on the tank. That is not what Medica II is for and is bad advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yumi_umi View Post
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    lol :|

    I play WHM all the time. I don't see how I have not tested anything out.

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    @arkaan Dpsing as a healer
    So you find it fun to just stand there and cast Cure every 5 seconds? I find stance dancing fun. He was not saying DPSing makes healers fun. It's the ability to weave in and out of healing and doing damage. It requires practice and helps make your job more engaging. It is not only about meeting DPS checks or making a run faster. Those are bonuses, yes, but it's also a pretty big part of being a good healer.
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    Elinchayilani N'jala
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post


    So you find it fun to just stand there and cast Cure every 5 seconds?
    And healing left and right while keeping everyone up when things get dangerous.
    Yes I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Those are bonuses, yes, but it's also a pretty big part of being a good healer.
    No they are not. Healer = someone that heals. You are welcome to enjoy dpsing in addition to healing, but dpsing is not part of a healer defination by any means, shape or form.


    Call me old-fashioned, but when I think of healing, I think of you know.. healing people. Not healing people while killing monsters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
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    You're being narrow minded. A good healer knows when they have opportunities to DPS. If you are instead standing around doing nothing then you are being inefficient. And healing people when it isn't needed is also inefficient. If you think good use of damage dealing spells is not required to being a good healer, then I don't know what to tell you. Cleric Stance exists for more than just solo play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    No they are not. Healer = someone that heals. You are welcome to enjoy dpsing in addition to healing, but dpsing is not part of a healer defination by any means, shape or form..
    If you follow this line of thinking, tanks are intended only to be damage sponges and DPS might as well not possess any utility like Apocatastasis, Mantra, or Resurrection.

    The roles in this game are named to help players recognize their primary responsibility in a party, not to straitjacket them into a single category of actions.

    All roles share the same ultimate victory condition in a duty: reduce red/purple HP bars to 0%. There are times in even the highest end raids where nothing is getting dangerous, so why would all roles not contribute?
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    Thea Sitori
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    All roles share the same ultimate victory condition in a duty: reduce red/purple HP bars to 0%. There are times in even the highest end raids where nothing is getting dangerous, so why would all roles not contribute?
    Yep, DPS is a shared responsibility. More damage is usually the ultimate mitigation.

    Unfortunately in casual content this isn't pushed as much unless we are talking about the Odin Trial enrage, The Chrysalis, or the Xande center meteor in Syrcus Tower. You always see many healers when the content came out just standing there when it becames apparent dps is too low and needed an LB to prevent a wipe, successfully or not. Compared to coil where healer DPS is generally required during progression.
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