Stancedancing Techniques

[VanilleFang]

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This sounds good, mostly. I'm a little confused by all the (Lustrate?). I mean, I know why they are there but I'm confused by why the first and second ones are there lol.

Also Cleric Stance doesn't affect E4E, so you don't need to be out of it to use it. Not that I'm saying you thought this, just wanted to point it out because you use it out of it then switch back in.

[Arkann]

Meh it only shaves a few minutes on an overall run, only useful if ur planning to do a bunch of dungeon runs but if ur just doing the daily roulette then meh. Heal bot mode activate.

DPSing as a healer is not about saving time, it's about having fun and not resting my head on one hand while I press a key every 2 seconds like most WHM I see. Or just auto-follow a random party member and let the fairy do all the work while I go shopping for groceries (SCH version). What's the point of playing a game just to die of boredom ?

My question though, is what kind of limits do you set on yourself to be able to maximize the amount of time you can DPS, while not endangering the party?

Pretty much what's already been said. Stonesking, Eye for an Eye (if I know the next pull will be bigger then the current one, like the one after the crabs in Keeper of the Lake, then I save it), gauge how fast the tank drops, see if the DPS are stupid and eat every cleave/AOE (the temptation to let them die and show them ho it's done is hard to resist), which means I'll be forced to heal more then necessary, Divine Seal + Regen (refreshed before Divine Seal drops), Virus the hardest-hitting enemy (or a random one) then Holy Spam with Presence of Mind. I've only recently started using Fluid Aura after Aero in boss fights (like Fester after Bio or Ruin²), against ennemies immune to knockback (colossi in Keeper of the Lake,...), or as a finishing blow against a normal enemy.

Maybe I'll test if the added Regen of Medica II helps in bigger pulls, but it will most likely mean unneeded enmity generation. And it makes me cringe when I see another healer use Medica II at the start of a pull. Medica II =/= Succor.

[Yumi_umi]

Haha ppl don't even think.
Ok so as you are "casting" medica 2, the tank should have established some kind of emnity on the mob. Sure ur emnity may dip into yellow but the divine seal medica 2/ regen combo acts as mini cures for the tank after SS wears off = probs by the end of ur cast of medica 2. Which is why u re apply it with swiftcast.
" but ur gonna be building lots of emnity " Lol whattt.. thats what shroud is for too.
MP regen WITH emnity flat reduction. Perfect for the holy spam step.

You guys must have based most of ur knowledge solely on the tooltip than actually testing it out.
Like why lol

@arkaan Dpsing as a healer is for meeting dps checks and to make runs faster. Makes some ppl feel special idk. But surely the majority do not do it for fun. Thts what dps classes r for, having fun from dealing dmg.

[VanilleFang]

enmity

I'm pretty sure everyone here understands how Shroud works. the issue with what you said wasn't even with the possibility of pulling hate. It's a complete waste of MP and is unnecessary. Why are you even using Medica II when the tank might not have even taken damage? All you will be getting out of it is the regen effect, and most likely only on the tank. That is not what Medica II is for and is bad advice.

knowledge

lol :|

I play WHM all the time. I don't see how I have not tested anything out.

@arkaan Dpsing as a healer

So you find it fun to just stand there and cast Cure every 5 seconds? I find stance dancing fun. He was not saying DPSing makes healers fun. It's the ability to weave in and out of healing and doing damage. It requires practice and helps make your job more engaging. It is not only about meeting DPS checks or making a run faster. Those are bonuses, yes, but it's also a pretty big part of being a good healer.

[Aeyis]

So you find it fun to just stand there and cast Cure every 5 seconds?

And healing left and right while keeping everyone up when things get dangerous.
Yes I do.

Those are bonuses, yes, but it's also a pretty big part of being a good healer.

No they are not. Healer = someone that heals. You are welcome to enjoy dpsing in addition to healing, but dpsing is not part of a healer defination by any means, shape or form.


Call me old-fashioned, but when I think of healing, I think of you know.. healing people. Not healing people while killing monsters.

[VanilleFang]

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You're being narrow minded. A good healer knows when they have opportunities to DPS. If you are instead standing around doing nothing then you are being inefficient. And healing people when it isn't needed is also inefficient. If you think good use of damage dealing spells is not required to being a good healer, then I don't know what to tell you. Cleric Stance exists for more than just solo play.

[Cynfael]

No they are not. Healer = someone that heals. You are welcome to enjoy dpsing in addition to healing, but dpsing is not part of a healer defination by any means, shape or form..

If you follow this line of thinking, tanks are intended only to be damage sponges and DPS might as well not possess any utility like Apocatastasis, Mantra, or Resurrection.

The roles in this game are named to help players recognize their primary responsibility in a party, not to straitjacket them into a single category of actions.

All roles share the same ultimate victory condition in a duty: reduce red/purple HP bars to 0%. There are times in even the highest end raids where nothing is getting dangerous, so why would all roles not contribute?

[technole]

All roles share the same ultimate victory condition in a duty: reduce red/purple HP bars to 0%. There are times in even the highest end raids where nothing is getting dangerous, so why would all roles not contribute?

Yep, DPS is a shared responsibility. More damage is usually the ultimate mitigation.

Unfortunately in casual content this isn't pushed as much unless we are talking about the Odin Trial enrage, The Chrysalis, or the Xande center meteor in Syrcus Tower. You always see many healers when the content came out just standing there when it becames apparent dps is too low and needed an LB to prevent a wipe, successfully or not. Compared to coil where healer DPS is generally required during progression.

[Cynfael]

Stuff about Medica II.

My biggest problem with using Medica as a prelude to Holy is...why? Unless you're going to Swiftcast it (again, better used for Holy or nearly anything else), you're just prolonging the period where the tank takes damage. The trickle of HP from Medica II's HoT is not very likely to make the difference between you being able to continue to DPS or not. However, starting the stunlock cycle before the tank loses much HP certainly can make that difference.

Tell that to the healers who feel uncomfortable with dpsing in dungeons. They enjoy wasting their time simply cuz they dont want to dps?

When you put it that way...yes. I don't believe in this special snowflake syndrome that exempts healers from doing everything they can to move a run along.

Are you unfamiliar with the content and waiting to learn where you can DPS? Fine. Smart thinking.

Are you familiar with the content and just don't want to DPS because you think it's beneath you? You are lazy. Purposely wasting other people's time is not a play style choice that should be enabled.

[Yumi_umi]

If you enjoy wasting time, however, I suppose that heal bot mode is always an option.

Swiftcast the first Holy.

Tell that to the healers who feel uncomfortable with dpsing in dungeons. They enjoy wasting their time simply cuz they dont want to dps? Ofc heal bot mode is an option just like how dpsing as a healer is.

Also swiftcast the first holy.
Only effective use i see tht has is in pvp where u can run and stun a group of enemies for casters to lb etc.
if ur tank has stoneskin up, using swiftcast holy just wastes the swiftcast as the GCD will act as if you just casted a normal holy.
PoM holy chain cast is a much better option as u can use that swiftcast to re apply stoneskin etc
Sure it can get that 1st stun out but does it really need to be stunned at the get go. Most monsters will do a few auto attacks before using an aoe.
Like when enemies do cone aoes/ circular.