Any new new in NIN's positional so?

[Sylve]

Monks have been a very positional job from the start, so obviously positionals won't kill it....positionals are part of what defines it. Just as the lack of positionals and increased difficulty elsewhere are part of what define ninja.

Except NIN did have positionals originally.

They changed it to how it is now pretty quick, though for a while the tooltips reflected the Flanking/Rear requirement. And even the bizarre Sneak Attack from the front XD

[Pluvia]

Except NIN did have positionals originally.

They changed it to how it is now pretty quick, though for a while the tooltips reflected the Flanking/Rear requirement. And even the bizarre Sneak Attack from the front XD

Wrong the English translation had a mistake none of ninjas abilities had a positional requirement. That is neither here nor there though this topic was about if we knew what was getting positional we don't no need to turn this thread into another flame war between melees

[Sylve]

Wrong the English translation had a mistake none of ninjas abilities had a positional requirement. That is neither here nor there though this topic was about if we knew what was getting positional we don't no need to turn this thread into another flame war between melees

Flame war? I brought up Monks because they are the most positional heavy Job in the game.

All I'm saying is that its not going to kill Ninjas to have to go to the side for a couple of skills.

[Pluvia]

Flame war? I brought up Monks because they are the most positional heavy Job in the game.

All I'm saying is that its not going to kill Ninjas to have to go to the side for a couple of skills.

The first part was for you the second part was for the rest of the thread I apologize if you thought i meant you specifically were starting something.

[Adire]

Except NIN did have positionals originally.

They changed it to how it is now pretty quick, though for a while the tooltips reflected the Flanking/Rear requirement. And even the bizarre Sneak Attack from the front XD

I don't think that's correct. Please show me a link with proof that there were more positionals on NIN than sneak/trick attack. I did not start playing the job until after 2.5, so may not recall correctly.

There is no reason for a NIN to use sneak attack over trick attack either. Why it's frontal anyways though, who knows. A ninja shouldn't be attacking anywhere but from behind if being stealthy, much less from the front.

But while trick attack is positional, it in practice allows a NIN to not have to worry much about positioning, because the rear is the only place a NIN needs to focus on. So unless NINs had other positionals from the beginning, your point there is off.

[SDaemon]

I don't think that's correct. Please show me a link with proof that there were more positionals on NIN than sneak/trick attack. I did not start playing the job until after 2.5, so may not recall correctly.

There is no reason for a NIN to use sneak attack over trick attack either. Why it's frontal anyways though, who knows. A ninja shouldn't be attacking anywhere but from behind if being stealthy, much less from the front.

But while trick attack is positional, it in practice allows a NIN to not have to worry much about positioning, because the rear is the only place a NIN needs to focus on. So unless NINs had other positionals from the beginning, your point there is off.

It was a tooltip error where one of the skills read as having a flank positional for extra dmg. Wasn't true, though until I found this out I treated it like a positional without issue.

[Adire]

It was a tooltip error where one of the skills read as having a flank positional for extra dmg. Wasn't true, though until I found this out I treated it like a positional without issue.

Ah. Well the point still stands, it was SE's intent to not have positionals be present besides sneak/trick attack in NIN originally.

[Sylve]

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...18d0d45bf52d59

2.4 patch notes. Dancing Edge is started to have a Flanking requirement to get the full 260 Potency after Gust Slash.
If it was a simple mistranslation, That mistranslation managed to make its way into the game, as the ingame tooltip for the skill reflected that Flank requirement.
That was corrected in a later patch, Though Ninjas in general were executing it from Flank with the expectation that it increased the potency, Myself included.
We were told pretty quick that the potency is the same from all around and that a patch would fix the tooltip.

My point is, even when that phantom requirement (translation mistake or altered design notwithstanding) was there tricking a lot of us into Flanking for it, no one cared when they told we didn't need to Flank.
It didn't make any difference whatsoever.

[Pluvia]

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...18d0d45bf52d59

2.4 patch notes. Dancing Edge is started to have a Flanking requirement to get the full 260 Potency after Gust Slash.
If it was a simple mistranslation, That mistranslation managed to make its way into the game, as the ingame tooltip for the skill reflected that Flank requirement.
That was corrected in a later patch, Though Ninjas in general were executing it from Flank with the expectation that it increased the potency, Myself included.
We were told pretty quick that the potency is the same from all around and that a patch would fix the tooltip.

My point is, even when that phantom requirement (translation mistake or altered design notwithstanding) was there tricking a lot of us into Flanking for it, no one cared when they told we didn't need to Flank.
It didn't make any difference whatsoever.

To be fair that was probably because people within the first night figured out it didn't have any requirements and spread the news so a majority didn't have to even pretend like it did. Either way I would like to know what they're changing so i can get it down for the hell of it.

[Sylve]

To be fair that was probably because people within the first night figured out it didn't have any requirements and spread the news so a majority didn't have to even pretend like it did. Either way I would like to know what they're changing so i can get it down for the hell of it.

I'm going to be super amused if it ends up with Dancing Edge that gets a Flank requirement :3