DPS is too slow guys! (OMG!!!)

[Seku]

If Dps aren't meeting DPS checks, they need to be told or replaced. They either learn or they don't. You can be nice about it though, but clear communication needs to be there and if they can't deal with the fact their not meeting a dps standard set by SE. Kick 'em and let them pay for a carry.

Tanks should never lose hate if their gear is around the same level as dps and healers. The only time they really could is at a pull and even then, tanks have the ability to quickly pull back the mobs and establish hate.

Finally Duty finder is for learning groups now IMO. You're randomly placed with 7 people that -may- or -may not- know the fight. It takes a group vote to kick them out and if you leave you take a 30 minute hit before getting a chance to re-attempt. How anyone can think of those conditions as a farm or clear party. I have no idea.

[Lux_Rayna]

"Healers didn't keep people up so we wiped." "Sorry I was a little slow there."

"Tanks you gotta grab the adds." "Sorry it's my bad, won't happen again."

"DPS why are we pushing phases so slow? It's creating more chaos for all of us when we aren't pushing phases properly. Also we're going to hit enrage." "WOW E'lusana you're a douche! OMG such an elitist wtf... never grouping with you again."

Bahaha. Tanks and healers are used to taking responsibility. DPS sadly arent. Not surprised they flipped out on you.

[Caoihmin]

The problem isn't their failure but in your way of dealing with it. Cheer them on, encourage them. I often use [Let's do it!] and cheer emote. I tank alot of coil in DF and most of the time it ends in failure. But if you cheer and encourage. You might be pleasantly surprised how much harder they try because they want to appease the Karma Gods. If it doesn't work, oh well, queue again.

Encouragement is a lost art in this day and age. My life was changed when timely, genuine encouragement was extended to me, and that encouragement still has an impact in my real life fulfillment to this day. We would do well to remember that this is just a game, and although a desire to improve skills is healthy, perfectionism or harsh criticism will never produce long lasting or mentally beneficial results.

[Sapphic]

And even like half a year later, we had trouble convincing that friend that Flash is -not- useless because of how frustrating tanking was for him due to having a small weapon.

You need a big weapon to flash effectively.... Giggity!

[Sapphic]

I do not understand the greif DPS get (as a whole) because theres 4 players in a full party that are DPS, not all of them are bad, and they are certainly not all the same job or play styles.

It's easy to spot a bad tank, no cooldowns, mobs run amok, overpulls to the strength of the party. Tis easy to spot an inept healer, doesn't heal, players die even tho the damage taken was totally manageable. etc
They get called out on, and you see very few posts complaining about it as visual confirmation is easy to see with the results of inexperience or just bad play.

But as soon as DPS called for underperforming to a standard needed to clear the content, the players calling them out are bad for telling them or even just trying to give them advice.

Double standards need to stop and these bad DPS need to start playing to the same standard they expect the tanks and healers to be playing at when they join DF. Because they would be (seen from experience) the first ones to rag on the tank and healer underperforming. That ego.

[Rhas]

In a perfect world, I would agree with you. But this is Eorzea, where people complain about Grass

[ThanMazus]

Bahaha. Tanks and healers are used to taking responsibility. DPS sadly arent. Not surprised they flipped out on you.

You teach those strawmen a lesson, teach 'em good.

[FrejyaAthenes]

You teach those strawmen a lesson, teach 'em good.

Straw burns pretty well if you're planning a witch hunt.

[AlphaDragoon]

But as soon as DPS called for underperforming to a standard needed to clear the content, the players calling them out are bad for telling them or even just trying to give them advice.

Double standards need to stop and these bad DPS need to start playing to the same standard they expect the tanks and healers to be playing at when they join DF. Because they would be (seen from experience) the first ones to rag on the tank and healer underperforming. That ego.

I don't really get what this post has to do with the guy you quoted (who was saying all DPS shouldn't catch hell because some of them are bad/can't take criticism).

What he's saying is true, BTW. Not saying you're doing this, but people who do the "DPS are whiny and want double standards" thing needs to stop because well, it's not all DPS. Same as not all tanks or all healers are bad.

[Cirgellon]

It's easy to spot a bad tank, no cooldowns, mobs run amok, overpulls to the strength of the party. Tis easy to spot an inept healer, doesn't heal, players die even tho the damage taken was totally manageable. etc
They get called out on, and you see very few posts complaining about it as visual confirmation is easy to see with the results of inexperience or just bad play.

But as soon as DPS called for underperforming to a standard needed to clear the content, the players calling them out are bad for telling them or even just trying to give them advice.

Double standards need to stop and these bad DPS need to start playing to the same standard they expect the tanks and healers to be playing at when they join DF. Because they would be (seen from experience) the first ones to rag on the tank and healer underperforming. That ego.

Except you have no idea if that dps has ragged on anyone as you rag on him. There is more than one dps player in the playerbase...

You are far worse than the people you are complaining about. I'll tell you the same thing I tell anyone (any class) who complains in DF dungeons. Find a group if you can't handle different skill levels... This isn't your game. They are also paying for the right to be there...

Also, I've seen tanks and healers who lashed out when critisized. If I was acting like you, this would prove that they all do it. I rarely see anyone give critisism in a non confrontational way and I hardly see anyone take critisism well from random strangers. That goes for every job/class...