DPS is too slow guys! (OMG!!!)

[Sapphic]

I do not understand the greif DPS get (as a whole) because theres 4 players in a full party that are DPS, not all of them are bad, and they are certainly not all the same job or play styles.

It's easy to spot a bad tank, no cooldowns, mobs run amok, overpulls to the strength of the party. Tis easy to spot an inept healer, doesn't heal, players die even tho the damage taken was totally manageable. etc
They get called out on, and you see very few posts complaining about it as visual confirmation is easy to see with the results of inexperience or just bad play.

But as soon as DPS called for underperforming to a standard needed to clear the content, the players calling them out are bad for telling them or even just trying to give them advice.

Double standards need to stop and these bad DPS need to start playing to the same standard they expect the tanks and healers to be playing at when they join DF. Because they would be (seen from experience) the first ones to rag on the tank and healer underperforming. That ego.

[AlphaDragoon]

But as soon as DPS called for underperforming to a standard needed to clear the content, the players calling them out are bad for telling them or even just trying to give them advice.

Double standards need to stop and these bad DPS need to start playing to the same standard they expect the tanks and healers to be playing at when they join DF. Because they would be (seen from experience) the first ones to rag on the tank and healer underperforming. That ego.

I don't really get what this post has to do with the guy you quoted (who was saying all DPS shouldn't catch hell because some of them are bad/can't take criticism).

What he's saying is true, BTW. Not saying you're doing this, but people who do the "DPS are whiny and want double standards" thing needs to stop because well, it's not all DPS. Same as not all tanks or all healers are bad.

[Cirgellon]

It's easy to spot a bad tank, no cooldowns, mobs run amok, overpulls to the strength of the party. Tis easy to spot an inept healer, doesn't heal, players die even tho the damage taken was totally manageable. etc
They get called out on, and you see very few posts complaining about it as visual confirmation is easy to see with the results of inexperience or just bad play.

But as soon as DPS called for underperforming to a standard needed to clear the content, the players calling them out are bad for telling them or even just trying to give them advice.

Double standards need to stop and these bad DPS need to start playing to the same standard they expect the tanks and healers to be playing at when they join DF. Because they would be (seen from experience) the first ones to rag on the tank and healer underperforming. That ego.

Except you have no idea if that dps has ragged on anyone as you rag on him. There is more than one dps player in the playerbase...

You are far worse than the people you are complaining about. I'll tell you the same thing I tell anyone (any class) who complains in DF dungeons. Find a group if you can't handle different skill levels... This isn't your game. They are also paying for the right to be there...

Also, I've seen tanks and healers who lashed out when critisized. If I was acting like you, this would prove that they all do it. I rarely see anyone give critisism in a non confrontational way and I hardly see anyone take critisism well from random strangers. That goes for every job/class...

[Sapphic]

Except you have no idea if that dps has ragged on anyone as you rag on him. There is more than one dps player in the playerbase...

I main DPS for raiding or when doing stuff with static, I also run DF as tank or healer. And I'm also very patient. I'll do full clear if im asked like a human being and not demanded. I'l give advice and take time running new players through content, but if someone starts being disrespectful to the detriment of the party, I'll tell them, whether thats in their attitude towards others or they method of playing is preventing progression even after being given advice and getting ignored. If they don't change, i'll talk in the party about removing them. If they party doesn't and it doesn't change, then i'll remove myself from the party and do something else.

After jumping in DF coil to help out and seeing it fail terribly, most of the time it has been the DPS blaming everyone else even tho it was that DPS raging who messed up the most. Whereas more often than not, if the tanks or healers make mistake, they admit to it. Ego blinds people to the truth of their own mistakes. Not saying it ONLY applies to DPS, but from experience the scales fall higher to wards those kind of players who picked a DPS job.

It's great watching a new player improve visibly through a DF dungeon after giving helpful advice. It isn't when someone messes up, doesn't take advice and continues to mess up becuase they are blind to their own mistakes. We all make mistakes, the good people are those who can recognize they do so.

[Magusrex]

I have made my peace with this. Because meters are not allowed, apathetically bad players can hide as DPS. They are not subject to the same standards as tanks or healers. It isn't going to change, insulting them or even offering advice can shut them down and make it even worse. Going off on a tirade just makes you the villain and getting that upset is not worth it. You get a hint you are grouping with that just leave, nothing is worth getting that aggravated over. That policy will cause you to leave few people who don't deserve it but you have to do what you have to do to stay sane.

[Seku]

If Dps aren't meeting DPS checks, they need to be told or replaced. They either learn or they don't. You can be nice about it though, but clear communication needs to be there and if they can't deal with the fact their not meeting a dps standard set by SE. Kick 'em and let them pay for a carry.

Tanks should never lose hate if their gear is around the same level as dps and healers. The only time they really could is at a pull and even then, tanks have the ability to quickly pull back the mobs and establish hate.

Finally Duty finder is for learning groups now IMO. You're randomly placed with 7 people that -may- or -may not- know the fight. It takes a group vote to kick them out and if you leave you take a 30 minute hit before getting a chance to re-attempt. How anyone can think of those conditions as a farm or clear party. I have no idea.

[Lux_Rayna]

"Healers didn't keep people up so we wiped." "Sorry I was a little slow there."

"Tanks you gotta grab the adds." "Sorry it's my bad, won't happen again."

"DPS why are we pushing phases so slow? It's creating more chaos for all of us when we aren't pushing phases properly. Also we're going to hit enrage." "WOW E'lusana you're a douche! OMG such an elitist wtf... never grouping with you again."

Bahaha. Tanks and healers are used to taking responsibility. DPS sadly arent. Not surprised they flipped out on you.

[ThanMazus]

Bahaha. Tanks and healers are used to taking responsibility. DPS sadly arent. Not surprised they flipped out on you.

You teach those strawmen a lesson, teach 'em good.

[FrejyaAthenes]

You teach those strawmen a lesson, teach 'em good.

Straw burns pretty well if you're planning a witch hunt.

[Ceri]

Just my two cents from my experience today.

I qued for the Ultros fight. It was my first time as I'm just now catching up on the Hildy quests. Before I could type anything one of the tanks spat out "Which dps is new." I explained that I was but I had looked over a guide.

Part of the way through the fight one of the healers throws out this piece of gold "Lol noob you didn't read a guide"

Now maybe its me but reading doesn't mean I'm going to get it right the first try. Nor was I the only one being knocked out of the arena. There were no wipes, no deaths, no close calls. Until that point I'd thought it was an extremely smooth run. The only issue seemed to be that I was on SMN and new.