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  1. #1
    Player
    Nalien's Avatar
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    Taisai Jin
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    Twintania
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    Lancer Lv 64
    Did I just imagine them talking about how 2.0 onwards caused the iLevel to rise too fast, and that they were going to aim for more horizontal progression rather than more rapid vertical progression? I specifically remember them saying they'd slow it down for Heavensward, and now they're saying it'll be faster? I mean, Lv60 will put us at i170, they claimed i130 would phase out at Lv55, so in 5 levels that is a i40 jump. Now they're claiming a bigger jump per update, which would mean each new tomestone set has a greater difference than i20? Even if we go off it being i30 that would mean the new AF2 (assuming that isn't the i170 Darklight equivalent) is i200. By 3.5 we'd be in i290?

    Power creep is a very real problem for MMOs over time, it would be prudent to take steps to avoid it early on, rather than aiming to reach ridiculous levels as soon as possible... Hope this is just a case of "People like seeing big numbers" and the actual stats increases aren't nearly as big, though personally I find having iLevels over double my actual level to be pretty ridiculous anyway.
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    Last edited by Nalien; 05-27-2015 at 03:04 PM.

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    SDaemon's Avatar
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    Koala Shibito
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    Sargatanas
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
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    Like I mentioned to Silent. The issue isn't the jump in ilvl but the stat jump that ilvls bring. If they plan the stats properly, it doesn't matter how big the ilvls become. What is important is how our stats increase, that is the threat of power creep.
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    Allyrion's Avatar
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    Allyrion Windwalker
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    Yojimbo
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Seems intentional. According to a fan-translated Famitsu article, they said:
    Patch cycle will be same as ARR with even numbered patches raising the item level cap. It will rise faster though (greater than the 20 ilvls at a time in ARR).
    This doesn't bother me, since I've never found power creep an issue.
    I don't outrightly support bigger numbers for the sake of them either though.

    That said, I find most gear upgrades within a tier don't have much of an effect.
    Except for the weapon which can be huge.
    So I think this might be a good change. But since weapons are so strong in this game, I feel like that disparity with different item levels might be too large.

    Other than the weapon, I do feel each item should feel like more of an increase than it is now.
    I don't really care how big numbers are or get. When 10's or 100's of thousands become standard, you abbreviate with "k" to reduce clutter.
    "M" for millions. All that matters is the progression within the tiers.
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    SDaemon's Avatar
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    Koala Shibito
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    Sargatanas
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Allyrion View Post
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    Egh seeing 10M or 100M fly across the screen is meh. There also comes a point where the ridiculously large numbers prove a major inconvenience, both to us and SE.
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    Y'nsha Rahz
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    Ultros
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    Lancer Lv 50
    I don't see the procs and what not working in this game and probably makes it easier to balance classes (don't keep up on specific balance changes or relative power level) but it's probably easy to say "Dragoon dps is not comparable to x dps so what can we do to boost that". Having procs and other things has too much leeway of "well what if dragoon doesn't have this gear that increases Full thrust combo from 360 potency to 400". Do we balance raids/dungeons assuming a dragoon has these? What if one doesn't have one yet because time commitments, life stuff, hasn't found it yet etc? And if they do have it, does it make for faster clear times so now they're a necessity in this content? And you can do this with every class too. Might make gearing "boring" but it's easier to tune specifics rather than try to account for other things.
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    Yumi_umi's Avatar
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    Yumi Umi
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    Adamantoise
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Prepare for the ilvl syncs !
    Haha i170 thts nice
    Must be like 10k hp healers on average gear. Yaaaa 100k hp warriors here we come.
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    StouterTaru's Avatar
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    Stouter Taru
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    Exodus
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    Say goodbye to the echo, we'll just have huge leaps in gear each major patch again
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    Mature Rudlum
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    Ultros
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    I wonder what will be the ilvl for first tool for crafting.. from ilvl 55 to.......90?
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    Adore Mi
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    Jenova
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    Dancer Lv 90
    So, I wonder where the new Artifact gear will fall to. Anyone have any ideas?
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    Player : フェアリーのミラプリも作ってるんですか?
    (Any plan on Fairies glamour?)
    Yoshi'p Sampo: フェアリーはエギではないので、予定がないです。残念ながら。
    (Since Fairies aren't Egi so, No.)

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    Drako's Avatar
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    Drako Lombardi
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Job quests perhaps? We already know there will be more. Some likely to unlock new skills, and some for the gear possibly. The gear being the last 5 levels ofc. Just a guess 4 pieces at lv 55, and body at lv60?
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