A Different Way to Play

[Kallera]

Thing is in this game there is only one way to play for many jobs at the moment, along with one set of gear that is the best. "Different" usually means "substandard", no matter what I chose in dps rotations, there will be one that is better than any other, and in any objective setting, the damage number is the measure by which skill is judged.

In other words, I go as ROG, I get kicked. I mistime an action, that is numbers and time I'm taking away.

DPS do not have the luxury of having different roles like MRD or healers with their DPS options.

[Miitan]

The OP is a great example of the MMO equivalent of a Poe. It's impossible to tell if they're trolling or are just oblivious.

[Allyrion]

With the new Jobs not having a base class, I get the feeling they want to phase out classes altogether.
I think the only thing that holds them back is the Arcanist because it has two Jobs attached to it.
In every other case, they could just convert the class into the Job at 30 after equipping the crystal and then it can't be taken off.
But Arcanist makes that a bit complicated.

To the OP,
I wouldn't really for trivial content about stuff like that, but please don't use the Topaz Carbuncle.
The Emerald does more damage and shouldn't die because it's ranged.
Even though any decent tank won't lose enmity to it, it's an insult to that tank that you don't trust them.
You do less dps already being an Arcanist. The least you could do is use the dps pet.
Also, for the start of pulls even a topaz carbuncle can turn an enemy making melee miss a positional or the raid getting a potential cleave.

Using a tanking pet is simply bad practice and etiquette.
You can be ACN and gimp your dps all you want, and I wouldn't say anything (though I might ask why).
If I see someone use a tanking pet, I would want them dismissed from the instance if they didn't change it.

[AskaRay]

My friends and I went into WOD as ACN once. It was a lot of fun, and we didn't cause any wipes (probably because tbh we were three of the only players actually awake....) And, yes, I also got commendations for my carby.

And I'm leveling my LNC, not DRG, because I don't care about marauder at all.

But would I ever use either in serious content...? No. No I wouldn't. I mean, if you can find an endgame group to take you as an ACN, then by all means go for it (but bring Emerald instead of Topaz...please...) If your tank is so bad that they need Topaz to babysit, you need to talk to them. Desperately. Same for your healer. I mean, yes, I have kept many a party alive with my BLM and Physick, but.... it's not ideal, and it was only after serious shit hit the fan. Not something I want to do frequently. If you like to support so much but still attack, I suggest Scholar. Go for it, Eos is very nice and she doesn't bite (I'm not sure about Selene, she might bite).

If you don't care about endgame, then you still should at least be thinking of your fellow party members. It may be viable now to be jobless, but remember... once you step into coil you may get people actually mad at you.

[BloodLines]

Not trying to be rude, but I cant see ANY reason to someone go a specific class over your job.

While classes are likely being phased out in 3.0, there are instances where classes currently outshine their job counterparts.
The most notable being marauder's ability to spike damage, particularly AoE damage. I would argue it has the highest AoE potential of anything in the game.
To get a sense of what I'm talking about, go gather a bunch of mobs, get maim up, pop berserk, internal release, b4b, raging strikes, and spam overpower until 500tp, pop invigorate and keep going. Look at your numbers, compare to dps jobs, then stop posting on the OF.

Utility as a MRD:
-Goad
-Perfect dodge (revelations, death sentence, flatten)

It has it's weaknesses but, if you can make MRD work in raid, and play to it's potential, it can be lethal and fun even.

I've played mrd in all the raid content the game has.

[DSaint]

While classes are likely being phased out in 3.0, there are instances where classes currently outshine their job counterparts.
most notable being marauder's ability to spike damage, particularly AoE damage. I would argue it has the highest AoE potential of anything in the game.
To get a sense of what I'm talking about, go gather a bunch of mobs, get maim up, pop berserk, internal release, b4b, raging strikes, and spam overpower until 500tp, pop invigorate and keep going. Look at your numbers, compare to dps jobs, then stop posting on the OF.

Utility as a MRD:
-Goad
-Perfect dodge (revelations, death sentence, flatten)

It has it's weaknesses but, if you can make MRD work in raid, and play to it's potential, it can be lethal and fun even.

I've played mrd in all the raid content the game has.

Do you reeeeeally think perfect dodge > Defiance and Berserker? Hmm... You have a problem.

Plus, you can't beat DRG, WHM and BLM aoe. Srry.
But don't be sad. You can fight against MNK and PLD for the last place, aoe wise.

Raging strike: 3min cd.
Perf. Dodge: 2 min cd.

Wow, so pro.

[Izsha]

It works in junk content that people over gear by 40 ilvls. Congrats. Dungeons and wod are tuned to be really challenging at i90. People are 130 now. The fact that you can 'make it work' is not a pat on the back. It's using the groups high level gear as a crutch to pick up your slack choosing to play in a very inefficient way.

That is why it's not done during progression. During progression on new content, there is no room for someone underperforming because there is not an ilvl buffer to carry you.

When the entire group is 30 to 40 levels above the content it's doable no matter how poorly you perform. Healers have sold dungeons. I've seen vids of all war parties downing trash dungeons and hm primals. Know why there's no solo t13 pre echo or 8 war pre echo t13? Cuz they are bad setups that rely on over gearing to be successful.

Your free to play as you want, but everyone else is just as free to not want to play with you. If you want to play that way for fun have at it. If you think it is in anyway an objectively better way to play, you are misinformed at best, or delusional at worst.

People put up with it because they know they can clear lulz Dungeon anyway and just want their daily over with, even if they have to carry someone. Enjoy playing in newby land with 40 ilvls of overgear and patting yourself on the back for doing such a good job on faceroll content.

[RiceisNice]

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Blood for Blood and Raging Strikes on a marauder leads to a lot of burst dps potential. The soul crystal only accounts for 10 STR (compared to 30 STR/DEX for the dps classes) and you're exclusively losing only tanking abilties.

Strictly speaking for dpsing/off tank dpsing, marauder triumphs warrior in burst dps. Everywhere else though like actual tanking? lolno.

That being said though, marauder tanking is still feasible depending on some circumstances; I turn off defiance when I'm tanking dungeon bosses, though this is after I've done my initial unchained pull. I don't think I'd have trouble as a marauder unless the dps is going buck wild.

[DSaint]

Blood for Blood and Raging Strikes on a marauder leads to a lot of burst dps potential. The soul crystal only accounts for 10 STR (compared to 30 STR/DEX for the dps classes) and you're exclusively losing only tanking abilties.

Strictly speaking for dpsing/off tank dpsing, marauder triumphs warrior in burst dps. Everywhere else though like actual tanking? lolno.

That being said though, marauder tanking is still feasible depending on some circumstances; I turn off defiance when I'm tanking dungeon bosses, though this is after I've done my initial unchained pull. I don't think I'd have trouble as a marauder unless the dps is going buck wild.

If you turning off your defiance or going MRD while tanking, you are giving more trouble to your healer. Healer needs to stop dps to keep TWO eyes into you so u can RS every 3 minutes. Even worse if your healer is a scholar. Sch dps is gold. More than a 3 min cd buff.

I'm not saying War dps > Mrd dps. I'm just saying, for raid/group content, its not wise.
Btw, if your Mrd is just going for dps or aoe, I will gladly trade him for a DRG.

[BloodLines]

Do you reeeeeally think perfect dodge > Defiance and Berserker? Hmm... You have a problem.

Plus, you can't beat DRG, WHM and BLM aoe. Srry.
But don't be sad. You can fight against MNK and PLD for the last place, aoe wise.

Wow, so pro.

It's not that it is better for straight tanking, that is obviously not the case.
It's just a utility you can use in raid.
When I was doing prenerf t12 on mrd, I was able to perfect dodge the revelation which is nice since they are so spread out, the timer lines up perfectly.
It makes the defensive hindrance a bit easier to deal with and you can feel better about making that sacrifice for the dps gain.

As for the aoe, you've obviously never played the class, so I'm not sure why you're saying you have any idea where it would place.
I've seen these numbers, not thoroughly tested, but from what I've seen, it's gotta be at the top-end aoe game
So unless you're at least going to go try it out, pls move on~

Just cuz you can't, does't mean others can't.