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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    I've ran into some healing arcanists/summoners as well. There's a right time for helping the healer, and then there's a wrong time. Sometimes crap hits the fan: healer is low on mp, more mobs get pulled and tank starts dropping like a rock. Extra heals will be appreciated in those situations. Anything else is unnecessary and lowers the total dps of the group. It can also make your healer unhappy when someone takes over their job.[/I]
    in those situations a summoner with his physic or a blm with cross classed physic is more than enough
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  2. #42
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElieDavion View Post
    in those situations a summoner with his physic or a blm with cross classed physic is more than enough
    Yes you are correct. The cross class skills that an ACN has access to are either dps cooldowns, defensives for self or defensives for the party. The dps ones do not outdo summoner abilities, the defensives for self are good for soloing but not needed when a tank has all the mobs, and the party defensives are given by healers. Basically playing as ACN over SMN is a loss no matter what way you look at it. All the useful stuff including support heals is available to SMN, on top of better pets and dps.

    I think playing as a class would be justified in cases when that would bring something extra to the group. Like archers or marauders doing more damage while sacrificing group utility. ACN simply doesn't bring anything that would be worth the performance loss in their primary role.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    An archer won't get more damage compared to a bard. They lose the DEX from soul crystal and gain nothing that bard doesn't already have as far as dps cooldowns are concerned (B4B primarily).
    Ahh, my bad. I've never actually tried going archer but I heard that some people do. I guess it would be useful for soloing just like going arcanist.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    I think playing as a class would be justified in cases when that would bring something extra to the group. Like archers or marauders doing more damage while sacrificing group utility. ACN simply doesn't bring anything that would be worth the performance loss in their primary role.
    An archer won't get more damage compared to a bard. They lose the DEX from soul crystal and gain nothing that bard doesn't already have as far as dps cooldowns are concerned (B4B primarily).
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    As a full STR MRD, I can hit stupid amounts of damage. Like 2600~ crit damage stupid. So no, you aren't the only one to try classes. I've also dipped into THM before, having DPS only slightly lower than my BLM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zell1226 View Post
    As a full STR MRD, I can hit stupid amounts of damage. Like 2600~ crit damage stupid. So no, you aren't the only one to try classes. I've also dipped into THM before, having DPS only slightly lower than my BLM.
    you loose out however on flare and convert including a x-ether that would be 3 flare in a row just as exsample i doubt a thm can keep up with that kind of aoe dmg
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElieDavion View Post
    you loose out however on flare and convert including a x-ether that would be 3 flare in a row just as exsample i doubt a thm can keep up with that kind of aoe dmg
    A THM loses out on AoE damage from flare and somes urvivability tools that allow them to remain stationary longer. Other than that, they are losing INT from crystal. In the end, THM only does slightly less damage than BLM, but it's still not going to provide any unique benefits and lose out on some versitility even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    A THM loses out on AoE damage from flare and somes urvivability tools that allow them to remain stationary longer. Other than that, they are losing INT from crystal. In the end, THM only does slightly less damage than BLM, but it's still not going to provide any unique benefits and lose out on some versitility even.
    Come the expansion, it will almost certainly be non-viable; all the new skills are being given through questing, and that questing is 99.9999% likely going to require your crystal. MRD will similarly be useless due to the war dps stance

    Also, I would like to know where you are using classes. 4 man dungeons, trials, ex trials, coil? Makes a difference
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamer3427 View Post
    Yesterday 07:45 PM
    This is the most frustrating thing about this post.
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    Aiot O'lein
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    While its undoubtly an interesting and different way to play. Given that its not mainstream, and that in fact, the crystals and job skills gives bonuses that offset the cross-classing by more than a little margnin, playing classes in DF will not earn you any sort of possitive feedback aside from the amusement of some for the rare view. However as you might already very well know, ill critisism or odd views are what you will run upon to more often than not.

    I once got in a party in WoD through DF and found myself with not a BRD, but an ARC. It was odd, to say the least, and they outplayed many of the job-crystal wielders in the whole raid, to the point that they never actually died. Tho I didnt critic their preference, it really made wonder about their choices.
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    This topic has been discussed in other threads.
    THREAD IS NOW CLOSED.
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