Patience about new job info and the conclusions to draw from it.

[Tiggy]

After seeing so many threads I felt this should be mentioned.

We don't know everything about every change announced in their nuances, and neither do we know all the changes to be made in total for each class. We've seen the veritable tip of the ice burg when it comes to class changes. Lets not jump to conclusions based on very basic and minimal information.

Not a single person here knows how the new classes will play. We don't even know how the stats will work. So let's hold our doom and gloom about what's to become of the classes until we know something more tangible. Not one person here knows how good or how bad any class will be in 3.0 based on what they told us. All we know is that it's different.

[Yuri_Hyuga]

We can glean the direction certain Jobs are taking... (e.g. NIN will have *some* new positionals or SMN emphasis is still muddled between Egi/SMN).

We're entitled to our opinions on what we may glean from.

Having all the facts or a holistic knowledge isn't always necessary to express concern or discomfort with a design-direction.

Besides, it's always important to be ahead of the design-curve... there's a chance they could lift NIN's new positionals if enough people are unhappy with that idea.

That's a simple enough shift which could make it in come 3.05 or so.

Same with the Au Ra Benchmark... good example of how we should get our voices in sooner than later, just in case.

[Edellis]

We can glean the direction certain Jobs are taking... (e.g. NIN will have *some* new positionals or SMN emphasis is still muddled between Egi/SMN).

We're entitled to our opinions on what we may glean from.

Having all the facts or a holistic knowledge isn't always necessary to express concern or discomfort with a design-direction.

This is true, but the amount of outrage is extremely silly considering we got no numbers at all from any announcements or visuals, and key system mechanics have been altered (DoTs, Skill Speed, Spell Speed) which are likely to completely change everything even if we were getting no new abilities. Lets not even discuss the changes to existing skills and values. People are literally complaining just because.


Your class rotation is completely changing from lv 50-60? You mean just like it completely changed from 1-30, 30-40, and 40-50? Oh, okay. RIP classes.

[Spiritreaver1217]

Besides, it's always important to be ahead of the design-curve... there's a chance they could lift NIN's new positionals if enough people are unhappy with that idea.

Sorry, in over 13 years of dealing with SE MMO development quirks, that is absolutely not how it goes. You can whine and cry and w/e all you want, but until they get hard data on the jobs from actual player use, they don't change anything. And even after they get data, it is not a sure thing any change will swiftly come through, if ever.

Example: FFXI job RDM-PPL clamored for years for the physical side of that job to get some love. SE only this year finally decided to relent and give in(better sword rating, access to the ex weaponskills, less spell cycling with duration increases in enfeeb/buffs, ext).

Yeah, nothing is ever 100%, but given their track record, it is HIGHLY unlikely the new positionals on NIN will get lifted before they are even implemented. And i say 'new' because we have positional currently and adding more isn't gonna suddenly tank the job.

[Duelle]

Yeah, nothing is ever 100%, but given their track record, it is HIGHLY unlikely the new positionals on NIN will get lifted before they are even implemented. And i say 'new' because we have positional currently and adding more isn't gonna suddenly tank the job.

Considering it took a while before SE finally changed how WAR worked so that groups would let them tank content beyond HM Garuda, I'd expect it to take a while as well. And NIN's only positionals are Sneak Attack and Trick Attack, both on a 1-minute cooldown. The latter isn't a bit deal since you're already behind the mob to DPS, and the former I would consider too risky on most boss mobs due to clear catching a NIN means more work for the healers. 1-minute cooldown SA and TA are very different from the constant dancing back and forth DRG and MNK have to do.

Example: FFXI job RDM-PPL clamored for years for the physical side of that job to get some love. SE only this year finally decided to relent and give in(better sword rating, access to the ex weaponskills, less spell cycling with duration increases in enfeeb/buffs, ext).

And to pour salt on that wound, they did it during a time when the game is pretty much done. =/

[Sapphic]

Considering it took a while before SE finally changed how WAR worked so that groups would let them tank content beyond HM Garuda, I'd expect it to take a while as well. And NIN's only positionals are Sneak Attack and Trick Attack, both on a 1-minute cooldown. The latter isn't a bit deal since you're already behind the mob to DPS, /

And how do you know that the extra positionals wont be rear only also? Or are you jumping to a conclusion based on the fact they said "positionals".

[Duelle]

And how do you know that the extra positionals wont be rear only also?

Probably because it would have been mentioned if that were the case. Saying "we're giving ninjas more abilities along the lines of sneak attack/trick attack" is very different from "we're giving ninja positional requirements".

Common sense points to them doing something to the existing combos. I doubt they'd waste the abilities gained from 52-60 just to introduce one brand new combo with positional requirements and call it a day (not to mention the stuff currently in-game gives NIN enough to do while covering damage buff, DoT and straight out damage). I also doubt they would throw in just one ability as a third combo for Gust Slash with a positional requirement and call it a day.

Who knows, the concerns might be completely unfounded and the changes would be minimal. Then again, the concerns expressed might be correct.

[Dree-Elle]

...there's a chance they could lift NIN's new positionals if enough people are unhappy with that idea.

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[Ceodore]

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one, but that doesn't give you the right to show it to anyone you see.

Remember what happened when all the little boys who cried wolf about Y2K? And what happened? Biggest lawl of the 20th century.