Never thought I would see dps queues faster then healer.

[Gallus]

????.

Tanking doesn't change, at all, with echo or without echo. Stop trolling. Flatten? CDs. Adds? Grab them. Megaflare dive? Lol wut's that, *pops tempered will*. The only threatening thing as a healer are akh morns? Lol. Akh morns are not even healed buddy.

You can virus the first one and offheal it with a couple physicks/cures, watch how they cheat the second one with holmgang + cover, laugh again at the third one with a precasted Whispering Dawn (medica II) + Fey Covenant, Virus and a couple heals...laugh even more at the fourth one on a hallowed PLD, and the fifth one? Who even gets there lol. You can even deal with Akh Morns with a WHM spamming cure III on both tanks. Akh morns are the easiest thing to deal as a healer, so you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

[Mutemutt]

@Gladous and Vlady

There's only one way you guys will be able to prove "healing is easy"

Go solo heal T13 in a learning from beginning party without echo and try to beat it within 3-4 hours.

Have fun.

I was ignored ; ;

But anyway, pretty absurd statement. The irony is that it seems to suggest that healing this the normal way is too easy for a challenge.

[Gallus]

Healing every single mechanic with people on weakness or even brink of death? DPSing during short amounts of downtime? MT taking a splash of megaflare damage from the OT on P3 and getting tempest winged 2 seconds later? Deeps taking extra lava ticks from earthshaker? Megaflare + Turret + Rage of Bahamut? Failed Turret, offheal the DOT to everyone? (<-completely doable I'm tired of doing this and carry bad teams), a WAR that tanks the last pain without defiance, forcing you to heal a tank that goes from 8k HP to 2k in a second in the middle of a megaflare dive? Deeps forcing P2's gigaflare right after Rage of Bahamut with everyone being at around 30% health and a shadow full hp flying around? (<- I've too anticipated this and saved the day, possible but tricky).

These and a lot more are the things that are challenging, not akh morns.

[Ghishlain]

I was ignored ; ;

But anyway, pretty absurd statement. The irony is that it seems to suggest that healing this the normal way is too easy for a challenge.

Wasn't ignoring xD I can understand the challenges of DPSing a raid as I secondary BLM/DRG for raids. DPSing as a whole is very easy to do (actually, doing anything in this game outside of a raid environment is very easy). DPSing WELL in a raid environment is a completely different ball game.

The point I was trying to make was the fact that if healing was as easy these two claim it to be, they both should be able to walk into T13, blind, as a healer (don't care which), and carry an entire progression party to victory within 3-4 hours. It is an absurdity to expect that, but that's the implication I got with comments like "whack-a-mole healing" that healing is so easy you can do any aspect of it while sleeping.

Raiding in XIV as either Tank, DPS, or Healer is challenging in different aspects for any progression group and shouldn't be taken lightly as one simple error from any single person can cause a wipe.

[spelley]

Full disclosure, I don't raid but....

The "I Want to Minimize What They Do" Explanation
Healing: "Healing is so easy, you just push a few buttons, make bars go up, pop some cooldowns and know the fight."
Tanking: "Tanking is so easy, you just push a few buttons to keep aggro, keep your bar from going, pop some cooldowns and know the fight."
DPS: "DPSing is so easy, you justpush a few buttons in order, make a bar go down, pop some cooldowns and know the fight."

The "Actually Being Fair" Explanation
Healing: "Healing is about knowing proper timing, accurately gauging and predicting damage intact, knowing when to DPS and knowing what cooldowns to save for when. They keep everyone going and can mitigate mistakes."
Tanking: "Tanking requires extensive knowledge of the dungeon/raid/instance, gauge and prioritizes target, ensuring cooldowns are available for specific bursts/mechanics and generally running the party (in general). They set the parameters."
DPS: "DPS need to maintain complex rotations while being very mobile, often are in charge of dealing with common mechanics and are especially relied upon for pushing enrage timers. They set the pace."

[Gallus]

Ask a main healer to go in T13 and DPS. Absolutely no problem. Ask a DPS to go in and main heal.

Lol. I've seen this myself. A sea of corpses.

[Ghishlain]

Full disclosure, I don't raid but....

The "I Want to Minimize What They Do" Explanation
Healing: "Healing is so easy, you just push a few buttons, make bars go up, pop some cooldowns and know the fight."
Tanking: "Tanking is so easy, you just push a few buttons to keep aggro, keep your bar from going, pop some cooldowns and know the fight."
DPS: "DPSing is so easy, you justpush a few buttons in order, make a bar go down, pop some cooldowns and know the fight."

The "Actually Being Fair" Explanation
Healing: "Healing is about knowing proper timing, accurately gauging and predicting damage intact, knowing when to DPS and knowing what cooldowns to save for when. They keep everyone going and can mitigate mistakes."
Tanking: "Tanking requires extensive knowledge of the dungeon/raid/instance, gauge and prioritizes target, ensuring cooldowns are available for specific bursts/mechanics and generally running the party (in general). They set the parameters."
DPS: "DPS need to maintain complex rotations while being very mobile, often are in charge of dealing with common mechanics and are especially relied upon for pushing enrage timers. They set the pace."

*Gives you a cookie* I like this post.

[Galdous]

Never said that healing turn 13 was easy. I agree bard and black mage is easier then healing but after bard adn black mage healing is the easiest thing to do in the game. If newbies want to pick up a job easy then I would go with a healer because they are easier to play then a dragoon/monk/summoner all dps jobs minus bard and black mage. And even mastering black mage is hard.

Healing if you cannot even grasp the basics people die which I know newbies who could pick up a controller and learn to heal as well as the elite of elites because healing is just mechanically the easiest thing to do in this game. Whack a mole is still whack a mole even if you time your heals to land .5 seconds after a massive aoe fires off. The difference between a good healer and mediocre healer is actually how much dps a healer can put out vs one that just heals. Being able to dps and provide healing can be a challenge but overall being a healer is easier in ff 14 then a high end dps and tank.

[Gallus]

Healing optimally (far from just spamming cures/physicks + medicas/succors), as you've well said, means dpsing too. Do you think however, you can DPS whenever you want? Nope, you must know the boss like the palm of your hand, you must know every single safe downtime where the boss autoattacks or does nothing dangerous that could potentially kill your party. For instance, in order to be optimal as a healer in T13, you must 100% know that in P1 after megaflare, bahamut does flatten, after flatten, bahamut does triple flare breath, and after that, there's a 7-9 second downtime where you can go to cleric fast and add in 3-4 dots and shadow flare before it starts channeling earthshaker. Do you honestly think you have to know all this bs as a DPS? No you don't. You can even ignore half of its mechanics as a DPS while you keep mashing your already automated rotations.


Flatten? Akh Morn? Gigaflare? You don't even need to know what the hell they do or when they come. Megaflare + Rage of Bahamut? (exactly the same as a normal mega for a DPS), Megaflare + Tempest Wing (exactly the same as a normal mega for a DPS), Earthshaker + Tempest Wing + Flare Breath? (exactly the same as a normal earthshaker for a DPS).

[DarkmoonVael]

When you cannot properly counter argue fall back on character assassination. Works every time. Healing is the easiest role in the game. Regardless of how you define whack a mole healing all you are doing is watching a hp bar go down and use a few basic buttons that make 1 to multiple bars go back up. You might time it to be .5 seconds after an enemy aoe fires off but it is still whack a mole mechanics that hail from the earliest days of online gaming.. Healing has not evolved any like other roles cept maybe tanking has.

And the one appears who has no valid way to argue apart from accusing people of character assassination. Deja vu here, considering this happened exactly the same last time i replied to the same person. Coincidence, i think not. Healing certainly is not whack a mole as you describe it. Bad healing is. Good healing is precisely timed, which i do not think anyone can call whack a mole. This kind of reductive argument really holds no ground. Its like saying a tank has to stand and get hit in the face and a dps just has to hit and enemy and nothing more. This here is reductive arguing, and really hold no merit at all. Now if you want to try and take the moral high ground, and accuse other yet again of character assassination, then go ahead. However, what you may want to do is engage with the argument and come up with something credible as a response.