Please be more understanding of your fellow player

[sirDarts]

I wanted to say that these entitled "I am better than the rest!" should just prove that to everyone and go raid difficult dungeons that are enough for their skill level, and not waste their time with newbies in low dungeons.
But then I realized that they would have to have friends to do so... :X



That said though, reading a guide before a Trial should be more common than it is.

[CelestiaYasuhiro]

That said though, reading a guide before a Trial should be more common than it is.

I envy people who get to learn a dungeon or a trial by themselves.
But to be fair though later trials have a ton of "Simon says" mechanics that takes trial and error.
I wish the game was more based on player/job skill rather than how good you are at dodging orange circles but that's for another thread.

[sirDarts]

I envy people who get to learn a dungeon or a trial by themselves.
But to be fair though later trials have a ton of "Simon says" mechanics that takes trial and error.
I wish the game was more based on player/job skill rather than how good you are at dodging orange circles but that's for another thread.

Well yes, it would be nice to be able to learn by trial and error.
Though some fights don't really explain why you died. Garuda for example. I don't think you can tell without a guide, or a word from your fellow players, that you have to keep the pillars alive, and of certain height, or you will die instantly.

[Crysten]

I wanted to say that these entitled "I am better than the rest!" should just prove that to everyone and go raid difficult dungeons that are enough for their skill level, and not waste their time with newbies in low dungeons.
But then I realized that they would have to have friends to do so... :X

I would if the game would stop forcing me to. Seriously though, comments like that make you no different from the people the OP is complaining about. Fantastic contribution to the discussion.

OP: I will agree with you 100% on those who are unfriendly for not skipping cutscenes and for the sake of someone being new. What I don't agree on is when that definition of new extends to when people are being plain dumb.

If a player goes into a new dungeon at level 50 wearing incorrectly statted gear, iLevel 28 accessories and with no idea what 90% of their abilities even do, there is nothing wrong with critiquing and encouraging learning.

Unfortunately, people often take critique as being unfriendly to new players, so we all get tarred with the same brush.

[sirDarts]

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I have played League of Legends for 3 years. It taught me one thing - people who think they are better than others have a REALLY hard time voicing their critique so that it inspires learning. Instead they tend to voice it so that it inspires a counterattack and/or plain denial.

"OMG the tank is wearing caster armor."
"Learn how to keep agro!"
"If you die again, I leave."
Stuff like this is incredibly common, and COMPLETELY counterproductive.

[Crysten]

I have played League of Legends for 3 years. It taught me one thing - people who think they are better than others have a REALLY hard time voicing their critique so that it inspires learning. Instead they tend to voice it so that it inspires a counterattack and/or plain denial.

"OMG the tank is wearing caster armor."
"Learn how to keep agro!"
"If you die again, I leave."
Stuff like this is incredibly common, and COMPLETELY counterproductive.

Of course, though my point is that it's unfair to generalize that players do this with malicious intent.

I've had times where I've been the epitome of politically correct and sugar coated my critiques to the point my teeth would fall out and I was still chewed out for being an elitist jerk.

Some new players are hostile to veteran players, no matter how you handle it.

[sirDarts]

Of course, though my point is that it's unfair to generalize that players do this with malicious intent.

I've had times where I've been the epitome of politically correct and sugar coated my critiques to the point my teeth would fall out and I was still chewed out for being an elitist jerk.

Some new players are hostile to veteran players, no matter how you handle it.

Yeah, there is always the other side of the story - people who don't accept even constructive critique voiced without any form of insult. Those are beyond saving, either carry them, or kick them, or leave. They will have to adapt or perish in due time.

Both of these are wrong, and sadly both groups cause neutral players to tilt to one of them.
A veteran who gets chewed for constructive criticism might give up on trying to help others.
A new player who gets a ton of flak and/or people quitting on them might get edgy and counter any form of critique.

That's why people just need to chill.

[Shneibel]

If a player goes into a new dungeon at level 50 wearing incorrectly statted gear, iLevel 28 accessories and with no idea what 90% of their abilities even do, there is nothing wrong with critiquing and encouraging learning.

just at the red mark part is enough for a vote kick. They can read the skill description & search for information about skill, rotation & stats, this forum share and give enough information about that.

I am here to play the game, I am not queue for instance or dungeon, to tell ppl WAR is a tank, and you need to bla bla bla, and in the end carry them. That is the basic information, they need to know at least the basic before queue, and then get help from there.

[Twilite]

..Yes I've been seeing this a lot, at least on famfrit, but only for those PFs. As an inexperienced player myself who has yet to do some raids, like BCoB/FCoB, the primal extremes, etc, that "Bonus 100 sol" I hope doesn't draw any negative attention my way.

This community is clearly not new player/novice player friendly as it should be.