Is Final Fantasy XIV the champion of immersion? Or is it easily usurped?

[GreatLeviathan]

i don't know why people keep on nagging...
I have played almost all MMO's and not really liked any of em even wow..
I really like XIV it's a good game!
Only the narror minded people always complain about the lil things.
Keep in mind that FF is always been special compared to all the other "normal" games as ll the normal games look like eachother and steal idea's from Eachother.
SE does not do that cause then linkshell would be called guild like in every single other mmo.
And this is only 1 example.

If you don't like the game go play another game.

I don't like battlefield bad company 2 compared to battlefield 2..
Does that mean they have to change the game for me ?
Nope i just stopped playing it and waited for the next one which comes out next month.
Just keep on smiling. If 1 games does not fit you play another.
They are only games. :-)

[Rhomagus]

There will never be enough topics until the voice is heard. Sometimes a new topic is what it takes to get the gears grinding again and get yourself heard. Now if you're just trying to be neat and tidy and try and pretend to be a forum cleaner, your post has little to do with this topic and I think it's making this post dirty.

Also I think it's worth saying, that my topic is not exactly the same even though it does raise the same concerns. I did ask a question. If you come in here and don't want to specifically talk about immersion in FFXIV then tell me about a game with better immersion.

If that's your mentality then your question is disingenuous. You're trying to social engineer dissent and create the illusion that people want the game to be how you like it.

If that's how you want to play this game I'll make a new thread for every thread made on this topic, and not provide my feedback into the topics.

That would be a dick move though and would not further the discussion in any meaningful way. It'd be manufacturing mass opinion.

[Azurymber]

If that's your mentality then your question is disingenuous. You're trying to social engineer dissent and create the illusion that people want the game to be how you like it.

If that's how you want to play this game I'll make a new thread for every thread made on this topic, and not provide my feedback into the topics.

That would be a dick move though and would not further the discussion in any meaningful. It'd be manufacturing mass opinion.

and that's different from posting non stop aruging against multiple people your point of view over and over and over and over again how?

I think it was a good and fair topic

[Rhomagus]

Voice overs probably would help the general community get involved in the lore. Most people I know skip over the text in FFXIV. In a game with graphics voices are often needed to accompany the picture.

It's mindboggling that someone so superficial is asking for immersion. Have you ever played any old games? Were they not immersive because they didn't have voiceovers?

This is why I argue against this type of thing. This "sense of immersion" does more to hurt the game than to help it. Especially when you design for this in mind from the outset. Let's sacrifice other's freedom so that we can enjoy voiceovers. It's not immersive if I can choose to skip the cutscene. I mean, I can't skip events in my real life, why should I in game?

[Verecund]

The game has no depth and you can barely interact with the world at all. What immersion are you talking about...

[Gramul]

Airships will eventually have an optional cutscene you can sit through. People will be able to choose between convenience or aesthetic.

As an aside, I know it really boils down to personal preference, but voice acting has never really done much for me in games.

Do we really want to waste time, funding, and data on little bonus features? Let's finish cobbling before we start thinking about the polish.

[Anonymoose]

These conversations based on single-word concepts like immersion don't really seem to have a point or purpose. They can't be discussed so simply as if the game is black and white.

One issue at a time on a case by case basis would be much more interesting and discuss-able than spouting hot-words from a podium like a political pundit. "VALUES!" ... "HONOR!".... "REGAN!" has just become "IMMERSION!" ... "AUCTION HOUSE!" ... "CASUA-"....

Actually.

Hey, I'm all for the immersion debate. It's sure as sh!t better than the HXC vs. Casuals bs we saw for a while. Rage on, you goofy f*cks, you.

[Jynx]

I don't think XIV had any new games to worry about immersion, most of the stuff coming out right now is pretty much in the same vien of WoW, not really what I'd call immersive.

Although XIV isn't really doing much to help itself currently, let's hope that changes in the near future. Less instant airships, more substantial airship rides please. You can trust I'll be the guy telling people to STFU when they tell me to ride the instant airship so they can "Move out"

I'll be enjoying the clouds sirs~

[Rhomagus]

My replay to Lyndis:

The point of discussion is for discussion. Most of your arguments simply say because it's my opinion. That was kind of the point I was making. You have no REAL reason why my opinion should be ignored when there are others who agree.Ya I actually do. I provide ideas that appeal to both sides. When one side brick walls and "hear no evil see no evil"s and is not open to suggestion and needs to dictate their style of play onto others it's elitist and uncalled for. I knew all of that stuff when I made that post, I would be stupid otherwise.You made that post and didn't respond to the numerous threads in order to manufacture opinion. You also didn't respond to any of the points I made in this post. Thanks for the intelligent breakdown of my argument, it's good to know there are smart people who disagree with my opinions. Though just because not all people enjoy what I enjoy does not make it moot, because I'm sure I do not like exactly the same things you do.I don't need you to like the exact things I do. I need you to let me enjoy the things that I like and I'll let you enjoy the things that you like. I draw the line in the sand when we both have our separate cakes but you won't let me eat mine. As soon as you're okay with this design philosophy I'll stop calling you out. Games WILL have to force their own values on everyone at some point in time.This is too broad to respond to. Don't need caps. I can read just fine. That means no one will be 100% happy.Exactly. So why not include the option that makes the most people happy. I'm hoping to get my voice heard, and so things that I agree with can be implemented with hardly any cost to the people who don't want it.But at great cost to their inconvenience and needlessly so all for sake of what you define as immersion. What about other people's enjoyment? What about other people's immersion? In many of your other arguments, you make me out to be an extremist, which I am not.Any opinion that calls for forcing the concept that other peoples freedoms and opinions should be sacrificed in order to fulfill one's own subjective individual interpretation of immersion when their options are left open as well is an elitist, not extremist, point of view. I do not make the demands you say I do. Do you call for the abolition of an instant teleport option even if a longer cutscene is available for your choosing as well. AND SORRY FOR THIS COMPLETELY SCATTERED ARGUMENT.Don't worry I'm thorough. I take each point individually and as a whole. The main reason for this post is:

I like where this topic is going. Perhaps the devs might see these particular ideas from other developers and it might spark an idea of their own. Keep it coming!I like my actual content ideas more. I agree that this topic argument is what fueled the creative process behind those ideas, but I'm more interested in content suggestions in this regard by now not just another argument.

If you're interested in adding content for the development team, specifically in regards to airships, please reply to the following thread:

Future Airship Content Ideas

[Rhomagus]

With all due respect, I find the presentation of your replies very irritating to read, but perhaps your threads are better?

They are thorough and leave no room for interpretation. Otherwise that is how circular arguments get started. People tend to like to pull out the "You didn't read my post" excuse when, not only did I read their post, but I read it more thoroughly than they have read my own. This method does not give them that excuse, though I still find I get cherry picked and quote mined still, but I know when to stop when people invoke too many logical fallacies or get off topic.