Wait a minute...is this a plot-hole (Austerities of Wind and Main Scenario-related)?

[WyrahFhurrst]

The Summoner quest line explicitly states that the Egi are a manageable size. A larger Egi may still be manageable, but could become unruly. It wouldn't kill us. The mana it takes to perform an Egi Summoning is but a portion of our overall mana, or aether reserves. Yes, overusing our aether reserves would kill us, but more than an Egi killing us? Unlikely. Now a full Primal Summoning is impossible for a Summoner, mainly because while an individual can have enough worship (lookin' at you, Greg), an individual requires crystals because one's own aetheric reserves are not great enough to perform the Summoning alone. Could a level 100 Summoner do it with ilvl100billion and tonze upon tonze of piety materia melded in? Maybe? But to claim that for a single Summoner to summon something greater than an Egi would cause death, I think is too far.

[Kaiser-Ace]

The Summoner quest line explicitly states that the Egi are a manageable size. A larger Egi may still be manageable, but could become unruly. It wouldn't kill us. The mana it takes to perform an Egi Summoning is but a portion of our overall mana, or aether reserves. Yes, overusing our aether reserves would kill us, but more than an Egi killing us? Unlikely. Now a full Primal Summoning is impossible for a Summoner, mainly because while an individual can have enough worship (lookin' at you, Greg), an individual requires crystals because one's own aetheric reserves are not great enough to perform the Summoning alone. Could a level 100 Summoner do it with ilvl100billion and tonze upon tonze of piety materia melded in? Maybe? But to claim that for a single Summoner to summon something greater than an Egi would cause death, I think is too far.

I would go as far as to say a Summoner with a large manna reserve could summon multiple Egis at once or one with a strong enough will could summon a Great Egi (Like an Elder Primal's Egi) but summoning past the Egi phase IS attempting to summon the full primal. And no single being can summon a primal with out a large crystal conduite. The Allagain Method doesn't use Crystal Conduits because Egis can be summoned with one's own Aether. Now if we used the Ascian method and a Crystal Conduite of large enough proportions then we could likely summon a full primal single handedly. The flaw in that being that a full primal has it's own will and probably wouldn't appreciate being given orders.

But that is the ultimate difference in the Allagain and Ascian methods, being the Absence and Presence of Crystals to use as summoning conduits. With out the Crystals we would most certainly die very painful deaths by so much as attempting to single handedly summon a full primal.