Ranting of a disappointed player (?)

[AkashiXI]

i will say this very common on the n/a servers typically .. guess most can figure the reasons and not just numbers .. i never had/have this problem on the jp servers they just know what is easier and do there job PROPERLY and for that the runs and the groups work so well and smoothly well more often than not!!!

Personal experience. I leveled both paladin and warrior in 2.0/2.1 era, I never had issues with dps or healers pulling hate/attacking the wrong enemy. If you're a good tank you can always usually snap it back anyways.


Really, these problems exist in ALL roles. Dps who do not do their rotations, healers who tunnel vision or they're lazy (I'm looking at you, jumping Scholar with 3 enemies left to kill), tanks who move at a snail like pace and refuse to pull until they number each mob... With a 10 second delay between each mark. You will get rude dps, rude healers, rude tanks, bad Frenchman (lol), incompetent Japanese players, and obnoxious Americans who think they're God's gift. This forum LOVES to trope and marginalize each community and act like they're above it all. Why do you think one of our biggest threads is directly related to that issue? Jesus.

[Sapphic]

^Not defending but LB pulls are annoying.

We do that all the time when we were progressing through coil when 2 bar LB was still up after a wipe. Due to enmity on LBs, it's a good pull for bonus damage and takes no real effort on the tank to pick it up. Especially if wipe was at 1% or less :P

[Krylo]

WHM - Basically thought he was a DPS and kept using stone every chance he got instead of healing me.

I'd have to have been there and seen it to know what was going on here. I've had healers blaming tanks for being undergeared in Haukke, while claiming to be Coil raiders, when the tank was just barely at level for Haukke, and the healer was doing Aero and Stone instead of bothering to time heals to hit just after large attacks or concentrate on heals at all, really.

On the other hand, as someone who tanks at 50 all the bloody time (I really really prefer monk, but dem queue times tho), I kinda hate it when healers don't DPS or are told not to. A healer who makes judicious use of cleric stance and DPSing can really really really speed up a run. I've even seen them out DPS the DPS (granted, that only happens when the DPS isn't that good, but, hey, that's when you need/want heal damage most).

BLM - Trigger happy finger on LB button. Used it every chance he got, even at Lv 1 at the beginning of the boss.

If he was LB pulling that's vaguely annoying for the same reason any kind of pulling is. Other than that, it depends on the boss. Lots of people have been saying you SHOULD use it right away, but I disagree. You should use LB at the most annoying phase of the fight, to help push past it sooner. For instance, even if you go into Lady Amawhatever in Haukke with a full LB bar, I'd suggest the BLM save it until after she calls all her adds and LB the entire group at once. Or in Keeper of the Lake I'd prefer the LB be used on the second dragon spawn, because that's the most AoE intensive and annoying bit of the fight, so pushing that phase faster is good, etc. etc.

On the other hand, there's no reason not to drop an LB on the second boss in Wanderer's hard ASAP, and start rebuilding for the last. And the last boss also doesn't have any real phase changes so as soon as both bars are full, let it rip.

So, yeah, depends on the boss.

BRD - Ignored my numbered targets and drew aggro needlessly for the entire run.

I hated Bards so much leveling PLD at that level. I'm not really sure why, but they get way more annoying for aggro pulling than any other class around that level.

That said, my advice: Increase your flashing to 3x, and when something has low enough hp/enough aggro that you know you won't lose it even if you ignore it: ignore it and build on the others. On the last enemy you can then riot blade your MP back up.

I main as tank and have a war and pld. When I'm not tanking if a tank marks targets I will use them but tbh I never have to mark targets and almost never lose aggro.

Well, yeah, but things are a lot easier once you've leveled, have your bonus stats, and are counting as highest possible level with every gear slot registering as highest possible white (still better than almost anyone else is going to have on a leveling run, despite being statted to white).

Tanking Haukke at 30ish with low level accessories (because accessories are rare af while leveling), and a smorgasbord of left side gear, some of which is 20, some of which is 30, is a little more frustrating than doing it level synked to. . . 32 is it? 33? I forget.

I'm level 50 War and Pld both, too. Do speed runs with both (mostly War, Pld isn't as fun for me), and, yes, going back to a level 30 dungeon now is super easy. It was a different case leveling through them.

Going to cut in right here and point out that as you get higher youre going to start dealing with classes that aoe or put dots on everything more and more. Flash x2 will NOT do the job, especially with a good brd blm or smn around. When tanking 3 or more mobs, when you have aoe jobs with you, You should flash til you are almost out of mp, then riot blade combo to refill for next pull

At level 50, you do this, yes, when doing large pulls. Doing standard 3 pulls that you do while leveling, however? Nah. You won't have enough time to riot blade back up your MP before the trash is cleared most of the time with only 2 or 3 enemies. Which isn't a terrible thing, but it won't be sustainable without waiting between pulls for mp.

I would suggest he go up to 3x flash, though, instead of 2, like I said above.

[Dualblade]

WMH: Since I read some of your other replies as well that said it caused wipes, they are for sure in the wrong. While DPSing is encouraged, healing is still the more important bit, even more so in pre-50 dungeons.

BLM: Already been talked about a good bit. I will say that I've actually been kicked for using LB on a non boss/early (Copperbell normal, before the second boss who lb isn't very useful against.) So you haven't been the only person to find it annoying that someone uses it on non-bosses. That said the only boss that should be waited on is the final boss (and even then, you'll probably still only get halfway to level two in many cases these days.)

Bard: Just something that has to be delt with, Shield Oath areas will make it easier. After the flashes you can go and swap between targets with your enemity combo skills, should be enough to keep everything on you as long as you didn't pull more than four. After shield oath/post-50 flash becomes more important to use alot but thats another day.

[Woggers]

When I have a LB bar full and no melee in the pt, hell yeah I'm gonna use it on trash/boss. You gain the LB so quickly it's a waste to just sit on it until the last boss. I have NEVER had anyone complain or kick me for doing this.

[Spy]

Hmm...you'll have interactions like this every once in a while because you're playing with real people...not npcs. And Real people do unpredictable (and sometimes annoying) things....Welcome to MMO'S!

When stuff like this happens, I tend to brush it off when the dungeon's over and not let it eat at me. Because there are plenty of other awesome players and 9 times out of 10 I wont see them again.

[Noshpan]

My personal favorite is the arsehole that intentionally puts the waymarks in the wrong spot/ replaces waymarks with ones in the wrong spot, thus confusing new party members and irritating experienced ones.

[Spiritreaver1217]

My personal favorite is the arsehole that intentionally puts the waymarks in the wrong spot/ replaces waymarks with ones in the wrong spot, thus confusing new party members and irritating experienced ones.

I totally didn't know this was a thing until it happened during a hellish WoD run a little ways back. it was at the atmos trash and A and C were put in the opposite spots and it was a wipe because we had many new ppl and they ended up either locked out or were on the opposite area.

[Noshpan]

I totally didn't know this was a thing until it happened during a hellish WoD run a little ways back. it was at the atmos trash and A and C were put in the opposite spots and it was a wipe because we had many new ppl and they ended up either locked out or were on the opposite area.

I had this happen to me in Syrcus Tower Wednesday night and in World of Darkness last night. There was no reason for the waymarks to have been messed with at all. Just something new for the trolls to entertain themselves I guess.

[Novaura]

How about this? Today, we had to kick a tank from Brayflox's Longstop (normal) who was not only under-geared, but was using the gear that can be used by both Tanks and Dragoons instead of using the tank-specific gear and also literally had no helmet equipped or accessories. How you get that far as a tank with a gear set like that, I have no clue.