Ranting of a disappointed player (?)

[Zaft]

For the WHM, DPSing is important, but it sounds like they were fucking up and should have held off a bit if you were dying. For the BLM, I believe he was in the right. He's the only LB that matters in that party, and it helps clear crap faster. For the BRD, it would be nice to follow your targeting order, but I'm also not sure how you lost threat to A BARD (unless you're a PLD pre-40, then my condolences, those levels before Shield Oath suck). Like really, Flash or Overpower 2-3 times, you now have significant threat on everything.

[Zivren]

For the WHM, DPSing is important, but it sounds like they were fucking up and should have held off a bit if you were dying. For the BLM, I believe he was in the right. He's the only LB that matters in that party, and it helps clear crap faster. For the BRD, it would be nice to follow your targeting order, but I'm also not sure how you lost threat to A BARD (unless you're a PLD pre-40, then my condolences, those levels before Shield Oath suck). Like really, Flash or Overpower 2-3 times, you now have significant threat on everything.

No Shield Oath. Was running daily in Haukke, so even if I did have it then I wouldn't be able to use it due to level sync. My usual rotation is nearly always Shield Throw>Flash x2 and then following with whatever is needed.

Fair enough then.

Either way, I think every player's got bad habits. It's very rare I can't pick up on something someone does. Some are major, "Did this DPS really just get hit with this mechanic?" "Really, tank? No cooldowns on a massive pull and you want me to heal you through it?" "Holy crap this other healer is literally only using Medica II"; some are more minor, some are definitely more visible than others. And every player tends to include ourselves, even though we think we're faultless; other players are probably picking up on things that we're not even noticing, and there's always more we can be doing better. A lot of the times it isn't even that players are going out of their way to be a bad - it's just that it's never occured to them.
(I'll admit straight up - I went to MNK 50 without ever touching another role, and I learned a lot about playing a DPS from experiencing things from the healer/tank roles)

And remembering that and being ready to just shrug it off and move on is part of the deal, really. There're going to be players who just aren't ready for the content they're attempting and it's going to kind of suck, but, everyone's been there at some point.

Yeah, I can understand I guess. Truthfully I've developed this kind of mentality due to League of Legends, and it's... bad. Thanks for giving something constructive rather than demeaning like some others would. I'll try and give it a go again, now that I've cooled off and talked to people about it.

[Spiritreaver1217]

For the BRD, it would be nice to follow your targeting order, but I'm also not sure how you lost threat to A BARD (unless you're a PLD pre-40, then my condolences, those levels before Shield Oath suck). Like really, Flash or Overpower 2-3 times, you now have significant threat on everything.

Just going with my gut and the impression of the brd given, i'd say he/she was probably popping Foe's before tank had hate set and was compounding it by attacking w/e mob instead of current party target.

[Peachy]

No Shield Oath. Was running daily in Haukke, so even if I did have it then I wouldn't be able to use it due to level sync. My usual rotation is nearly always Shield Throw>Flash x2 and then following with whatever is needed.

Going to cut in right here and point out that as you get higher youre going to start dealing with classes that aoe or put dots on everything more and more. Flash x2 will NOT do the job, especially with a good brd blm or smn around. When tanking 3 or more mobs, when you have aoe jobs with you, You should flash til you are almost out of mp, then riot blade combo to refill for next pull and do not forget to monitor enmity bars on the lower hp mobs or youll lose it to a single target person. After almost 2 years of PLD tanking its the most mindless job in game for me, definitely easier than war.

[Krylo]

WHM - Basically thought he was a DPS and kept using stone every chance he got instead of healing me.

I'd have to have been there and seen it to know what was going on here. I've had healers blaming tanks for being undergeared in Haukke, while claiming to be Coil raiders, when the tank was just barely at level for Haukke, and the healer was doing Aero and Stone instead of bothering to time heals to hit just after large attacks or concentrate on heals at all, really.

On the other hand, as someone who tanks at 50 all the bloody time (I really really prefer monk, but dem queue times tho), I kinda hate it when healers don't DPS or are told not to. A healer who makes judicious use of cleric stance and DPSing can really really really speed up a run. I've even seen them out DPS the DPS (granted, that only happens when the DPS isn't that good, but, hey, that's when you need/want heal damage most).

BLM - Trigger happy finger on LB button. Used it every chance he got, even at Lv 1 at the beginning of the boss.

If he was LB pulling that's vaguely annoying for the same reason any kind of pulling is. Other than that, it depends on the boss. Lots of people have been saying you SHOULD use it right away, but I disagree. You should use LB at the most annoying phase of the fight, to help push past it sooner. For instance, even if you go into Lady Amawhatever in Haukke with a full LB bar, I'd suggest the BLM save it until after she calls all her adds and LB the entire group at once. Or in Keeper of the Lake I'd prefer the LB be used on the second dragon spawn, because that's the most AoE intensive and annoying bit of the fight, so pushing that phase faster is good, etc. etc.

On the other hand, there's no reason not to drop an LB on the second boss in Wanderer's hard ASAP, and start rebuilding for the last. And the last boss also doesn't have any real phase changes so as soon as both bars are full, let it rip.

So, yeah, depends on the boss.

BRD - Ignored my numbered targets and drew aggro needlessly for the entire run.

I hated Bards so much leveling PLD at that level. I'm not really sure why, but they get way more annoying for aggro pulling than any other class around that level.

That said, my advice: Increase your flashing to 3x, and when something has low enough hp/enough aggro that you know you won't lose it even if you ignore it: ignore it and build on the others. On the last enemy you can then riot blade your MP back up.

I main as tank and have a war and pld. When I'm not tanking if a tank marks targets I will use them but tbh I never have to mark targets and almost never lose aggro.

Well, yeah, but things are a lot easier once you've leveled, have your bonus stats, and are counting as highest possible level with every gear slot registering as highest possible white (still better than almost anyone else is going to have on a leveling run, despite being statted to white).

Tanking Haukke at 30ish with low level accessories (because accessories are rare af while leveling), and a smorgasbord of left side gear, some of which is 20, some of which is 30, is a little more frustrating than doing it level synked to. . . 32 is it? 33? I forget.

I'm level 50 War and Pld both, too. Do speed runs with both (mostly War, Pld isn't as fun for me), and, yes, going back to a level 30 dungeon now is super easy. It was a different case leveling through them.

Going to cut in right here and point out that as you get higher youre going to start dealing with classes that aoe or put dots on everything more and more. Flash x2 will NOT do the job, especially with a good brd blm or smn around. When tanking 3 or more mobs, when you have aoe jobs with you, You should flash til you are almost out of mp, then riot blade combo to refill for next pull

At level 50, you do this, yes, when doing large pulls. Doing standard 3 pulls that you do while leveling, however? Nah. You won't have enough time to riot blade back up your MP before the trash is cleared most of the time with only 2 or 3 enemies. Which isn't a terrible thing, but it won't be sustainable without waiting between pulls for mp.

I would suggest he go up to 3x flash, though, instead of 2, like I said above.

[DarkStar]

For the WHM, DPSing is important, but it sounds like they were fucking up and should have held off a bit if you were dying. For the BLM, I believe he was in the right. He's the only LB that matters in that party, and it helps clear crap faster. For the BRD, it would be nice to follow your targeting order, but I'm also not sure how you lost threat to A BARD (unless you're a PLD pre-40, then my condolences, those levels before Shield Oath suck). Like really, Flash or Overpower 2-3 times, you now have significant threat on everything.

The bard could also have been overgeared for the content, because even with level synch you still get more stat points that you would if you were actually at-level. Even if neither of these possible circumstances are the case, I'd still say it's more than a little annoying when a DPS ignores the marks.