Summoners hope

[Clarkamite]

Again your not even reading before you start smashing away at your keyboard, you need to open your eyes and read bro, I never stated that you said anything, I said "people", and at no point do I care about mega flare nor have even mentioned it in my posts.

If you would read correctly as I have stated I am complaining that the lolsmns have tossed out all of our major job problems for one flashy spell

First of all, BRO, I'm not your bro. Secondly, fine you know what? You never said anything about Megaflare? Here I'll go search for you. Give me one second.

I swear people see the stupid light show and did not even listen to anything else and just rampantly defend and go nuts for it. Oh you know that trademark ability of Bahamut that any Final Fantasy fan should recognize..oh wait thats Mega Flare...... WTF is ahk morn? Oh that spell that only 1% of the population has seen, oh okay aim so happy iam getting that

To address your point about me smashing away at my keyboard, I'm doing no such thing. I had a differing opinion to your "upsetness" that you were given Ahk Morn. I made no attacks. Maybe you didn't say me directly when you said, "People," but you were addressing me when I said something about it. I've read everything you've written. Clearly. You on the other hand, I don't know if you even know what you wrote seeing as how you claim you've never cared about Megaflare but, oh look, clearly you do.

[Sen_Terrechant]

Can you quote me where I said Iam angry we got Ahk Morn? Oh wait...you cant because you have no idea what your talking about.

Iam upset that we have a laundry list of items wrong with the class, they show off one spell that only what 3% of the population of this game even knows what it is, then all the hardcore diehard fanboys jump on board and forget all of our problems and are praising the second coming of Summoners.

Do you understand that any time we bring up a valid area that needs adjustment everyone now says shut up you get Ahk Morn why are you crying?

What is that list now?

[Spellbinder]

What is that list now?

While I have my own grievances about certain changes (or the lack thereof), I'm also curious to see another viewpoint of realistic problems with the job.

I'm strongly considering setting up another feedback thread (like these: http://goo.gl/ELije0 (EN), http://goo.gl/dxYvz2 (JP)) a week or two after release, and hopefully have some civil discussion about where the job is at, and where it's likely heading.

[SirDiscoFrog]

I'm strongly considering setting up another feedback thread (like these: http://goo.gl/ELije0 (EN), http://goo.gl/dxYvz2 (JP)) a week or two after release, and hopefully have some civil discussion about where the job is at, and where it's likely heading.

I remember this thread and one or 2 others similar to it in the beta phase. The suggestions were well thought out and the post tone in general was very civil. I am also planning a thread for more in general Egi/SMN feedback and suggestions after a couple weeks or so of Heavensward.

So many fourm posts complaining about SMN are very nostalgic based or asking for things that have already been discussed, most aesthetic wise, and not many are looking to improve the job but just redo it. I'm sure there are many endgame SMNs that have interesting suggestions as SMN by no means is perfect and there's ways to help appease the egi haters in a sense without redoing the egis entirely. Overall it would be nice having more constructive threads that are trying to improve what is here instead of completely change it.

[Bhuni]

Last time I checked, when I bane on titan and then fester on the goal it's almost death.

I find it best to just stay on Titan and use your stacks for fester instead of blowing it on bane where Titan HM is concerned as you don't get much potency out of your baned DOT's. EX wise just DOT up the second gaol when they pop and then switch back to hitting craggy ass.

[TripPsyc]

Famitsu Translation

Summoner

Tri-disaster: Learned at level 56, applies Bio, Bio II, and Miasma. Original Tri-disaster has been renamed "Tri-bind."
Bahamut Aether: New stacking buff gained for 30 seconds by using stacks of Aetherflow, increases magic damage dealt.
Dreadwyrm Trance: Can be activated with Bahamut Aether, allows execution of more powerful actions.
Ruin III: Available during Dreadwyrm Trance, increased damage with reduced MP cost.
Deathflare: ???

The wording isn't 100% clear that Ruin III is only available during Dreadwyrm Trance, but here's the straight translation: "During Dreadwyrm Trance, it's possible to further increase DPS while reducing spent MP by using the new spell Ruin III."

[Spellbinder]

Famitsu Translation

Summoner

Tri-disaster: Learned at level 56, applies Bio, Bio II, and Miasma. Original Tri-disaster has been renamed "Tri-bind."
Bahamut Aether: New stacking buff gained for 30 seconds by using stacks of Aetherflow, increases magic damage dealt.
Dreadwyrm Trance: Can be activated with Bahamut Aether, allows execution of more powerful actions.
Ruin III: Available during Dreadwyrm Trance, increased damage with reduced MP cost.
Deathflare: ???

The wording isn't 100% clear that Ruin III is only available during Dreadwyrm Trance, but here's the straight translation: "During Dreadwyrm Trance, it's possible to further increase DPS while reducing spent MP by using the new spell Ruin III."

Just to clarify, the bolded is innacurate, or at the very least was not stated in that article. One of the recent Dengeki articles, however, mentions that activating Dreadwyrm Trance increases your damage.

[Kuurei]

Why is this turning into a Burst DPS argument though.

You know who else has Burst DPS? Dragoon.

You know who wishes they had some twelve-be-forsaken sustained? Dragoon.

[Higashikata]

Why is this turning into a Burst DPS argument though.

You know who else has Burst DPS? Dragoon.

You know who wishes they had some twelve-be-forsaken sustained? Dragoon.

That argument was 5 days ago.

[Waliel]

Dude going into umbral ice to gain your mana back takes seconds to get enough to go back into umbral fire

Technically it can take anywhere from instant to nine seconds to get full mana depending on ticks and when and how you do it. I felt like pointing this out because I can.