Summoners hope

[Clarkamite]

No I can't bring up where you said you were angry you got Ahk Morn. I don't want to but I will go back and find your multiple quotes in each Summoner Sad Face thread where you bring up the fact that you were given Ahk Morn instead of Megaflare if you would like.

You may not be angry, but you're not sounding like you're not. Especially not when you keep bringing that up. It's not like you came into this thread, or the last one I saw you in, addressing anything other than, "But we should have gotten Megaflare."

I never said, "Shutup you get Ahk Morn why are you crying?" I just simply addressed your point about getting Ahk Morn. You make it out to be a bad thing because it's not named Megaflare. You don't even sound gracious.

[Galand]

I never said, "Shutup you get Ahk Morn why are you crying?" I just simply addressed your point about getting Ahk Morn. You make it out to be a bad thing because it's not named Megaflare. You don't even sound gracious.

Again your not even reading before you start smashing away at your keyboard, you need to open your eyes and read bro, I never stated that you said anything, I said "people", and at no point do I care about mega flare nor have even mentioned it in my posts.

If you would read correctly as I have stated I am complaining that the lolsmns have tossed out all of our major job problems for one flashy spell

[Galand]

Also people keep saying that now Summoners have burst dps.

Excuse me but where did they say this? Yoshi said we spend our first 30 seconds applying dots and building Bahamut aether stacks, THEN you go into Bahamut "trance" where you build energy to spend on Bahamut themed attacks. Iam sorry but that is not burst dps, thats alot of building up and saving stacks of crap to then switch to a stance to build more crap to then spend the crap

[Higashikata]

Iam sorry but that is not burst dps, thats alot of building up and saving stacks of crap to then switch to a stance to build more crap to then spend the crap

whoa, hold on there a second. Building energy then unleashing it at once isn't a burst attack?

This right here make me curious, what is your definition of burst DPS?

[Sen_Terrechant]

Can you quote me where I said Iam angry we got Ahk Morn? Oh wait...you cant because you have no idea what your talking about.

Iam upset that we have a laundry list of items wrong with the class, they show off one spell that only what 3% of the population of this game even knows what it is, then all the hardcore diehard fanboys jump on board and forget all of our problems and are praising the second coming of Summoners.

Do you understand that any time we bring up a valid area that needs adjustment everyone now says shut up you get Ahk Morn why are you crying?

What is that list now?

[Spellbinder]

What is that list now?

While I have my own grievances about certain changes (or the lack thereof), I'm also curious to see another viewpoint of realistic problems with the job.

I'm strongly considering setting up another feedback thread (like these: http://goo.gl/ELije0 (EN), http://goo.gl/dxYvz2 (JP)) a week or two after release, and hopefully have some civil discussion about where the job is at, and where it's likely heading.

[Kuwagami]

Iam upset that we have a laundry list of items wrong with the class

Like what ? MP problems aren't a thing anymore with overgearing (so we'll have to see if it's fixed in the extension or not before complaining again)

focus on DoTs + egis rather than summons ? Well, sorry to say, but it's technically correct, as the SUMMONERS use the essences of divinities to enhance themselves while the INVOKERS use the essences of divinities to unleash hell on their enemies. Though the naming has been a little confusing over the various FF games, because there are summons in each case, thus making the invoker a special case of summoners.

I don't know any "major" concerns about SMN but I'd be happy to learn more about what people are displeased with

[Whiston]

I'm curious where this summoner is who takes thirty seconds to dot up an enemy. Possibly Siberia? It's gotta be the worst Internet connection ever.

On a side note, as it currently stands, summoner is one of the highest dps for the first 30-60 seconds of an encounter. If that isn't burst... Then I'm not sure what is.

[Alkimi]

I'm curious where this summoner is who takes thirty seconds to dot up an enemy. Possibly Siberia? It's gotta be the worst Internet connection ever.

It got a bit lost in translation as usual. What they should have said is spending the first thirty seconds applying/maintaining DoTs and using all your Aetherflow stacks on Festers. Which most SMNs do unless there's a part in the fight coming up that requires you to hold on to them for a bit.

[Allyrion]

Burst damage is being able to deal a large amount of damage in short space of time. Period.
You can twist definitions all you want but that discussion started because others were using burst damage in that context in the first.
You can't rebuke it by simply moving the goalpost, i.e. saying your definition is different and SMN doesn't fit within it.

You can have burst in your opener but you can also have burst within your rotation.
You can have burst more on-hand, or you can have conditional burst that require cooldowns or building of stacks.
These legitimate and historical uses of burst damage in MMOs.

You can say SMN might not have burst in the very start of their opener(which probably won't be true anymore, being able to put all the dots on at the start).
Or it might be less on-demand(that remains to be seen).
But the whole Trance mechanic is clearly an added Burst phase in the SMN rotation.

The only way to refute that it is make a narrow definition for the sole purpose of denying this because it's not the right type of burst(for you).
That's really not an argument. Especially when refuting someone else's use of a term which was clearly much less narrow.