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  1. #11
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamer3427 View Post
    I think the effect of it only refers to spreading the shield from Adloquium to nearby players, not the actual healing, since that takes place when the spell is cast while I'm guessing Deployment Tactics works like Bane but on beneficial effects. I too wasn't sure though, which is why in my post above I put "heal/shielding". Still, the more I think on it, the more likely this seems to be the case. Otherwise why announce a new AoE healing spell as well?
    Even then, all you'd need to do is target a Convalescence-Warrior (+40% yay) to an easy 2k shielding on the whole party, 3k if crit. The other strange thing is that it's basically the same as Sacred Prism (1.0) + Stoneskin. I'll admit I'm more fond of this than that, but both seem kind of awkward. Basically a double-strength Succor if the party stacks, once per <CD>.
    The Eye for an Eye effect seems both reasonable and... lackluster. Basically just asks your tanks to be in range of each other each time the SCH, rather than the SMN, AST, BLM, or WHM, would cast EfaE. No one else, hopefully, will be under fire from enemy attacks long enough to proc it.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 05-22-2015 at 05:03 PM.

  2. #12
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    Austen Bloodspatter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    Given that the Black Mage in the example had a whopping 9k+ hp at level 60, it's probably safe to assume that you'll never have a moment where it exceeds Stoneskin in normal use.
    yah but SCH mag pwr will also be higher, specially with dissipation; So Adloq will probably still be stronger, just like it is now, even on tanks with 12k hp (well it depends on how geard the SCH is, vs how geard target of SS is)
    Also you can't party-SS at all, in combat; you'll be able to use AOE-Adloq multiple times throughout a raid. And Adloq also heals, so it's worth a lot more HP than SS. It can be boosted with potency buffs, SS can't.
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    Lemuria Glitterhands
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radacci View Post
    yah but SCH mag pwr will also be higher, specially with dissipation; So Adloq will probably still be stronger, just like it is now, even on tanks with 12k hp (well it depends on how geard the SCH is, vs how geard target of SS is)
    Also you can't party-SS at all, in combat; you'll be able to use AOE-Adloq multiple times throughout a raid. And Adloq also heals, so it's worth a lot more HP than SS. It can be boosted with potency buffs, SS can't.
    The duration is still 30 seconds. Other than tanks and some melee, I rarely find people get hit enough to take advantage of the barriers. Useful on enemies with unavoidable AoE, most certainly, but I won't make any lofty claims on it yet.
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    AlexanderThorolund's Avatar
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    Eros Crux
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    Really happy with the new SCH changes, it's exactly what i wanted. Looking forward to seeing what else is in store. Maybe fairy glamour!?
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  5. #15
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    Tenebria Miku
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    what i took from the scholar stuff is

    indomitability: Medica clone for moving hp bars in an after the AoE situation. Maybe even an instant cast that eats an aetherflow instead of mp

    deployment tactics: now when the huge aoe is incoming you adloquiem>deployment a guy for double(possibly quadruple) a succor shield. Can even add eye for an eye for groupwide which i can only assume would function like 8x the chance of proccing it from said big aoe

    emergency tactics: now your adloquiem is bigger than a cure II with a massive crit bonus when all you want is raw healing

    dissipation: any situation that having a pet out is unfavorable in some way can just make yourself extra strong instead

    just from seeing how incredible these are, Would have to assume indomitability will use charges so it doesn't completely replace succor along with deployment tactics
    and emergency tactics must be a cooldown that just alters adloquiem for 10-15s or something because it seems too powerful as just an on demand toggle
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    Justin Tymes
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    Dissipate is for raids. Pretty much confirming SCH is backup healer in 3.0
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizarus View Post
    Dissipate is for raids. Pretty much confirming SCH is backup healer in 3.0
    how do you come to that conclusion from bigger heals, better shields, stronger utility, more damage potential, better mana management?
    SCH is already a beast and is getting literally every weakness in their loadout buffed up
    All dissipate will be is an additional self buff that will make the rare situation where fairy isn't optimal no longer an issue

    If anything they make it sound like SCH is going to be the go-to main healer


    WHM is getting a lustrate-ish heal, a ground aoe regen, and another tier of stone and aero. That is nothing compared to what scholar is getting
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  8. #18
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    Ysera Dei-ijla
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    Goblin
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    Dissipation reminds me of that one WoW warlock ability from back in the day, and it worked quite well in PvP if you sacrificed your succubus for the damage boost. Will we get the same result for SCH, I wonder. The absence of Fairy healing is pretty noticible.
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  9. #19
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    Austen Bloodspatter
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    Omega
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    The duration is still 30 seconds. Other than tanks and some melee, I rarely find people get hit enough to take advantage of the barriers. Useful on enemies with unavoidable AoE, most certainly, but I won't make any lofty claims on it yet.
    rarely? it could save your party from wiping, in any progression run. If pt got low ilv, it would help a lot in any primal/coil run. would save ppl from accidental cleaves, stomps, puddles, ultima bombs, T10 dash/tether/cones, T11 spread/stack/transition/lightning/tether, T13 flares/adds/dives/stacking/akh/twisters..well pretty much everything in the whole fight.
    For normal instances you could apply it, and ignore certain AOEs, like midgardsormr inner/outer turmoil, or those segmented fire AOEs.
    so it's about timing. so if you waste it on bad timing, it doesnt mean the skill itself isn't useful, you just wasted its potential. It's not useful in every situation, but neither is adloq itself, or fairy buffs, or lustrate, or sacred soil.
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    Ein Vaer
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    Excalibur
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Wish they would of shown more of Astrologian. Won't be able to really compare until we see potencies and their ability set. Some of these new actions could have just been added so people don't favor one job over the others since all 3 will be competing for the same 2 party slots. These job "differences" probably won't matter until you get to Alex+ anyways.
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