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    I'm skeptical about sacrificing your fairy. We don't know much about how it will affect your magic potency, but we do know that it's a huge loss to healing potency to have your fairy dead or dismissed. How they'll balance it is a mystery, but it's nice to see more AoE heals being added. I always felt Succor was a bit on the weak side.

    Being able to exchange barriers for healing potency will be beneficial for DPS and other healers on the team who aren't taking immediate damage. I always hated how the barrier effect was essentially wasted if used on many non-tanks since the duration often wears down before they get hit. On the other hand, it's very white mage-ish and feels like they're sticking the two in a blender to make one single class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    I'm skeptical about sacrificing your fairy. We don't know much about how it will affect your magic potency, but we do know that it's a huge loss to healing potency to have your fairy dead or dismissed. How they'll balance it is a mystery, but it's nice to see more AoE heals being added. I always felt Succor was a bit on the weak side.
    Dissapation>Swiftcast>Summon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
    Dissapation>Swiftcast>Summon
    This is assuming they let you recast. Remember that this is a straight potency boost to our spells which means it needs to be significant enough to be worth doing, but also balanced which means there's a good chance we'll be unable to resummon our fairy until it's effect is gone. Further, we don't know the skill duration. It could be a hugely powerful boost but with a very tiny duration, such as 10 seconds meaning wasting time resummoning would be wasting the effect altogether.

    Until we have more information speculation is all we have, but consider this. What would be the point in dismissing the fairy if you could instantly summon it with no problems?
    Quote Originally Posted by Radacci View Post
    It's like Party-Stoneskin, but stronger.
    Not sure stronger is the right word. On some jobs, perhaps, but the duration is still capped at 30s. The shield bonus has only ever been as much as the cure potency, and Adlo is quite a weak cure on its own. While it will almost certainly be stronger than cross-classed stoneskin, only on targets with a lower max HP will it be stronger than White Mage's version.

    Given that the Black Mage in the example had a whopping 9k+ hp at level 60, it's probably safe to assume that you'll never have a moment where it exceeds Stoneskin in normal use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    Given that the Black Mage in the example had a whopping 9k+ hp at level 60, it's probably safe to assume that you'll never have a moment where it exceeds Stoneskin in normal use.
    yah but SCH mag pwr will also be higher, specially with dissipation; So Adloq will probably still be stronger, just like it is now, even on tanks with 12k hp (well it depends on how geard the SCH is, vs how geard target of SS is)
    Also you can't party-SS at all, in combat; you'll be able to use AOE-Adloq multiple times throughout a raid. And Adloq also heals, so it's worth a lot more HP than SS. It can be boosted with potency buffs, SS can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radacci View Post
    yah but SCH mag pwr will also be higher, specially with dissipation; So Adloq will probably still be stronger, just like it is now, even on tanks with 12k hp (well it depends on how geard the SCH is, vs how geard target of SS is)
    Also you can't party-SS at all, in combat; you'll be able to use AOE-Adloq multiple times throughout a raid. And Adloq also heals, so it's worth a lot more HP than SS. It can be boosted with potency buffs, SS can't.
    The duration is still 30 seconds. Other than tanks and some melee, I rarely find people get hit enough to take advantage of the barriers. Useful on enemies with unavoidable AoE, most certainly, but I won't make any lofty claims on it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    The duration is still 30 seconds. Other than tanks and some melee, I rarely find people get hit enough to take advantage of the barriers. Useful on enemies with unavoidable AoE, most certainly, but I won't make any lofty claims on it yet.
    rarely? it could save your party from wiping, in any progression run. If pt got low ilv, it would help a lot in any primal/coil run. would save ppl from accidental cleaves, stomps, puddles, ultima bombs, T10 dash/tether/cones, T11 spread/stack/transition/lightning/tether, T13 flares/adds/dives/stacking/akh/twisters..well pretty much everything in the whole fight.
    For normal instances you could apply it, and ignore certain AOEs, like midgardsormr inner/outer turmoil, or those segmented fire AOEs.
    so it's about timing. so if you waste it on bad timing, it doesnt mean the skill itself isn't useful, you just wasted its potential. It's not useful in every situation, but neither is adloq itself, or fairy buffs, or lustrate, or sacred soil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    Given that the Black Mage in the example had a whopping 9k+ hp at level 60, it's probably safe to assume that you'll never have a moment where it exceeds Stoneskin in normal use.
    Adlo is better than SS in normal use. Also Adlo gains the benefit from buffs that increase healing potency and thus the shield due to the strength of the shield being based on the amount healed. Whereas Stoneskin will always be 18% of the targets HP.

    For ease of calculation we will say target has 10k HP. Stoneskin will shield for 1800. Adlo at the present time with decent gear heals for around 1200. With HW that figure is going to increase for effective healing. So if we base the increase of potency around the same percentile increase as the HP, which for the BLM at near 10k is about 30%. So you are looking at about 1600 Adlos non crit.

    So 1600 heal, 1600 effective heal (the shield) 3200. Whereas Stoneskin is only an effective heal of 1800.

    Stoneskin is only more effective than Adlo when the target has full HP or lost less than around 200 HP.
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    When I learned to take complete control over my fairy, I've always healed better on my sch than whm. Even my aoe's were powerful considering Rouse+Whispering Dawn(macro) on top of Succor. When Odin came out as a 8-man, the only wins I had over him was when I was on scholar. Of course that's just me and maybe I just play scholar better than a whm. *shrugs*
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