Please do not make group quest open world areas.

[Orspeth]

Hm, I can't seem to get past this area
<Random player travels by>
"Hey! Want to group up? Since it's supposed to be hard and stuff?"
<Party invite declined>
"Hm....what about you?"
<Party invite declined>
"/fume"

Random passer by isn't even going to see your party invite because we are all marked /busy due to RMT - and I'm seriously thinking of moving /say to a tab where I don't see it

[Radacci]

It's likely that Yoshi over dramatized the strength of the mobs. It will probably only apply to undergeared ppl. If it was tough for geared ppl, it would require a light pt, for normal-undergeared ppl.

[Devils_Lawyer]

It's likely that Yoshi over dramatized the strength of the mobs. It will probably only apply to undergeared ppl. If it was tough for geared ppl, it would require a light pt, for normal-undergeared ppl.

If anything its the players not Yoshi that is over dramatizing things, everytime someone even hints at the word "difficult" people go ballistic (check this thread as an example) and automaticly assume that it means insanely saiyan sauce hard.

[Varilae]

Hm, I can't seem to get past this area
<Random player travels by>
"Hey! Want to group up? Since it's supposed to be hard and stuff?"
<Party invite declined>
"Hm....what about you?"
<Party invite declined>
"/fume"

Seeing how quickly people group up at random for hunts, if there is any good reason to go into these difficult areas, I have a hard time believing your scenario will be the most common scenario.

[Gunspec]

You know, the key reason I'm having issue with anyone asking for challenging mobs is that I really am looking forward to flying. Yeah, weird logic jump, but let me explain.

For the past few months there has been an issue in WoW with the devs removing flying from all future new zones, and the forum arguments that erupt out of it. Those that favor the removal of flying are using the EXACT same arguments that people in this thread have used for more challenging enemies. "More danger, makes the world feel real, puts travel back into the game, forces people to interact and play together". I could copy/paste entire posts from that thread here, or this thread there, and they wouldn't seem the slightest bit out of place. The loss of flying in WoW is one of several reasons I won't be returning to that game, and I'm super hyped that my current favorite mmo is adding flying in less than a month.

I know the ISSUE here is completely different, but I'm still hearing the same argument and logic. I hear people with the same opinions, talking about a different topic. It makes me worried about the future. If anyone here ever causes my Fat Chocobo to lose flight, I hope he falls on you with his fat fluffy rear. That'll be the danger in your open world!

[ToppeHatte]

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I think the difference between that situation and this is that I feel like flying is/should be treated as a reward for conquering the initial challenge of higher level mobs. You're thrown out into the wilderness and forced to deal with the mobs carefully. You go around, do the quests, and get the ability to fly, allowing you to not have to be as cautious. It's essentially a symbol of "conquering" the zone.

[VargasVermillion]

All it means is zones won't be boring anymore and Beast tribe camps make sense, they SHOULD require you to work harder, you're dead smack in the middle of an enemy base. New players won't be too hard off, they'll just get the latest tomb gear in each patch and power creep will nerf the mobs naturally as with most content in the game so far.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Seeing how quickly people group up at random for hunts, if there is any good reason to go into these difficult areas, I have a hard time believing your scenario will be the most common scenario.

Except hunts give tangible rewards, which is the only reason people will work together. Trash mobs on the world maps give nothing.

[Barimu]

People also do not want to traverse a map ala FFXI where it's a pain in the ass because anything aggroing can kill you. Especially if you have to go through some laborious fight for what is essentially a dead mob that took all of your cooldowns and potions and the loot table for said mobs is garbage so you spend a lot of time getting through a map for little returns.

Don't make it a hassle to traverse your world. It's going to be especially aggravating for arriving at FATES in time.

Speak for yourself, people actually want difficult things in this game but can't have it because players like yourself cry at the difficulty

[Gunspec]

Speak for yourself, people actually want difficult things in this game but can't have it because players like yourself cry at the difficulty

He used the word "people". You used the word "people". I automatically assume you are both speaking for yourselves. Unless you are both part of some mass collective conscious, in which case, is the Borg queen really as hot as I am made to believe?