Another Upset Summoner

[SoloWingMetatron]

Actually SE never lied. Also if you actually look on the pet bar (PS3/PS4 version) you will see there is still FOUR empty ability slots to be filled with potential new Egi abilities. So yeah the Egi could indeed get new abilities, maybe not for the release of HW but they could easily get them in the future.

Also you are not taking into consideration the work SE have to put into the game as a whole (what other MMO do you know of that has released an expansion as big as HW!) They need to prioritse the content for all players and rightly so. Trying to focus on implementing X number of new Egi, each one with unique play style would be a major ball ache for the developers and would mean something would have to be sacrificed in order to balance so many new Egi. Also you can't compare it to any other job as SMN is the only job in the FF franchise that utilizes a vast number of pets/summons.

SE have made the right call coz when you think about how the game works it's really the only viable option to give SMN's Egi of every Primal. If they were to do it your way we would probably only get 1-3 more new Egi tops.

Personally I would much rather have an Egi of every Primal that are glamours, than just a couple more unique Egi.

[Senliten]

Why then should smn get the short end of the stick?

How do we even know SE is going to follow through with the Glamour's given that they just passed the buck and outright lied to us about smn already?

They didn't lie. People took Yoshi-P's words too hard in the paint, assumed when he talked bout the egi's way back when that it was a done deal, and now people are crying foul. Lets put it this way, just because he says 'maybe', or 'would like', does not mean it is a done deal. He is a producer and not the one doing all the back end heavy lifting. Those that did the back end work prolly saw it may not of been a wise choice for balance reasons, informed em, and prolly agreed with their sentiment that it may be a bit wiser to hold off or think off a new way to implement different egi's. Which is why we are being previewed more player related skills than pet stuff currently. Which ontop of what was shown is not the full monty of what we have. Example of course being the new trance, we see simply Akh Morn that uses it, but it was mentioned trance has stacks. So what bout the count of trance stacks, the benefits of stacks that fit into the lore of how powerful bahamut was (which would make for a nice way to give extra potency to our current abilities),or flat out any new abilities that would end up using them that have benefits for our pets? But instead of looking at what was said, mentioned, and more or less can be possibly hyped to theory on, lets just all cry at how somehow 'se lied to us about pets' when they never really did.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Blue
Summoner
Trance
Mage!

BLUSMNTRNMAGE! Are you all ready to Trance Dance?! Its going to be sicko DoTPSBurstDPTD (damage over time per second burst dance per trance damage)!

[Leigaon]

I don't see what's so upsetting. There were talks about new pets, but for a lot of other summoners that was not the case of "fixing" summoner. It came from the current pets being adjusted and the caster being adjusted.

We have no idea how the new abilities will go for the pets. What I do like are the trances, how we're channeling primals power through use to not just give it form but to perform a move. Instead of a 5 minute movie of Bahamut coming out and firing a blast we push it through our bodies.

To me they're giving us a wonderful change. New pets with the same problems fixes nothing except to the users who just want something new and flashy. If that's the case..black mage is the way to go for you. New pets may have been part of the original plan but they got phased out. It's not fair to ask them to inform us of every change in development as it goes through instead release it to the public when it's more definite. It might of bee a possible idea for Yoshi then but things change and they have to hold it back.

[SoloWingMetatron]

New pets may have been part of the original plan but they got phased out. It's not fair to ask them to inform us of every change in development as it goes through instead release it to the public when it's more definite. It might of bee a possible idea for Yoshi then but things change and they have to hold it back.

Yoshi never said anything about the Egi being phased out...all they have done is chose to prioritize the Bahamut Aether stacks as a new rotation for the lvl 60 abilities. This does not mean we will see any other Trances/Primal Aether stacks (although that would be cool) The future lvl70 abilities could very well be Egi focused. Especially if there will only ever be 3 Egi types (Ranged/Tank/Melee) with new Egi be introduced via glamours for one of these 3 types. This makes it quite easy for SE to introduce new balanced Egi abilities to accompany the Bahamut Stacks/Dreadwyrm Trance.

[Belhi]

I understand why people are disappointed but I think they made a good point that refining and expanding the Current Egis was likely more value to the class and while you don't have a new Egi Summoners now can channel friggin Bahamut. That's got to count for something.

[Judge_Xero]

Promises something cool -> Delivers something possibly even more amazing -> still not satisfied.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Promises something cool -> Delivers something possibly even more amazing -> still not satisfied.

You're right it is definitely something amazing. However not everyone has to agree on that, just coz people find the new Dreadwyrm Trance/Bahamut Aether stacks amazing, doesn't mean others will. It's all about personal taste and people who would rather see this new system be channeled through an Egi are not wrong in that view point as Egi are part of a SMN's repertoire.

You could actually argue that calling it Dreadwyrm/Bahamut Trance is merely a gimmick, as all it is is just a name and therefore superficial. These new abilities could have been called anything, they still would have worked the same way. Don't get me wrong though, the fact it's related to Bahamaut is cool, but it doesn't really mean anything game play wise.

Trances for the other Primal's are also unlikely to happen for the reason that FFXIV does not have an elemental wheel. No point having a Trance for each Primal only to unleash the exact same attack with just a different visual effect. It's no different to the current Egi issue in that regard.

[Judge_Xero]

You're right it is definitely something amazing. However not everyone has to agree on that, just coz people find the new Dreadwyrm Trance/Bahamut Aether stacks amazing, doesn't mean others will. It's all about personal taste and people who would rather see this new system be channeled through an Egi are not wrong in that view point as Egi are part of a SMN's repertoire.

No, not everyone has agree on everything, but that will never happen regardless. Look at it this way though:
- Egi's getting new skills, already have Rouse/Spur, Enkindle. Each current Egi has a specific role. Tank, Melee/Single Target, Ranged/AOE.
- SMN has Dots, Aetherflow. (stemming off Arcanist)

Then you have a couple of different camps for what people wanted out of SMN
A More Focus of SMN being able to summon primals power
B Not wanting Egi's to have so much effect on SMN's performance
C Wanting the Egi's to seem more powerful.
D Not wanting SMN to be a poison dot class
E More variety of Egi's and Larger Size/More detail to make them appear more powerful
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So we get to keep the Base SMN playstyle that a lot of SMN like. As far as I can tell, SE has given players A, B, C, and E. Partially D by combining all 3 Dots into Tri-Disaster, and if they add a Egi Glamor system we could see more of E.

For B and C, you can picture the Bahamut system as a pseudo Egi that we channel power through, so it's still part of the SMNer and it's performance, but visibly you get a powerful Primal to command.

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Since no one can say yet how SMN will play it's hard to say how much SE has tried to please everyone who enjoys SMN. But by looking at the diversity of what people are looking for out of the class, I believe they have tried to touch on each aspect that makes up a SMN.

[SoloWingMetatron]

No, not everyone has agree on everything, but that will never happen regardless.

Oh I agree with you. I just thought your initial comment was based on the notion of Trances being the new thing and the Egi getting phased out, a notion which I find totally unfounded. I personally don't identify with any of the camps you describe. I am happy for whatever new abilities SMN may get, as long as they stay true to the job (which I believe Bahamut Trance does) then I'm happy. However for Trances to totally replace Egi is a bad idea and won't work on the whole, since it will be faced with the exact same issue of there being no elemental wheel. So that is why I doubt we will see any new trances beyond the Bahamut Trance. Not only that but to expect new Trance moves to be the SMN's staple in terms of new moves from this point on is ridiculous. What every new level cap all we can expect is SMN to get a new Trance that works exactly the same as the last forever more until the game ends and the servers close?....don't think so some how people. Egi will still be a thing.