Another Upset Summoner

[Kuponutz]

Oh. You're switching to the Black Mage because you watched a video which only covered 2 of the summoner abilities and you don't even know the potential DPS increase/sustained damage the job is capable of in 3.0?

Did you even read the original post? I said nothing of rotation or dps potential, this is strictly about being lied to and deliberately misled for a year by the dev team as pertains to egis. The amount of disappointment would be minimal if they hadn't spent a year saying we would get new ones in xpac.

[melflomil]

stuff.

Please quote where SE promised new Egis. If you can't find it delete this post

[Dyvid]

Please quote where SE promised new Egis. If you can't find it delete this post

Tokyo FATE in Mar 2014 - "I enjoy playing summoner as my main job, but when it comes to end game content, it's all Garuda-Egi with no opportunity to use Ifrit or Titan. That's pretty disappointing, and I'd like for Ifrit and Titan avatars to also play active roles in party content.
Y: Earlier I talked about Black Mage from my own point of view, but I've also seen that Garuda was always used on summoner. Originally we intended for each avatar to play a different role depending on the content and party setup. Since Garuda has the highest DPS, Garuda is used in the most content, so I think that's the main issue. If we made the other avatars stronger, then Summoner would be stronger overall, and if we made Garuda weaker to compensate for powering up the others, then the reverse could be true, so we are carefully considering what to do. It's a cute summon, but in the future you'll be able to summon a certain old man and a sister clothed in ice who's also quite cute. Although actually I wish I could copy the Mammet with the Mirage Prism."
--Are those summons coming next, or will Leviathan?
Y: Leviathan, hmm... I'm not sure whether Ramuh or Leviathan will come first (laughs). I think it'll happen when the level cap is raised, so I really can't say yet.

And FYI, devs never promised anything but they did say they are and now they say they aren't.

If I remember correctly, Yoshi said that we wouldn't get a new Egi until after the level cap was raised. We may be at the point the cap is being raised, but that just means that it could happen in any future expansion after this point. I really don't understand the whining people are doing over this. Akh Morn will be fantastic.

They straight up said no new egi and people are upset because they expect new pets for a pet job. Keep Bahamut's Breath and just give me Bahamut otherwise I might as well be playing Blue Mage.

[Dervy]

And FYI, devs never promised anything but they did say they are and now they say they aren't.

However, I’m sure many are wondering if they will have to continue looking at the same egi forever, but we are planning to add a system in the future that will allow you to change the appearance of your egis, including Carbuncle, but their stats will remain the same.

They never said you'll never get new Egis though... But instead of having Unique Egis, with 5 of them being utterly useless and another which is "Meta", they're just going to give you a mechanic to change their skin.

[melflomil]

Tokyo FATE in Mar 2014 - "I enjoy playing summoner as my main job, but when it comes to end game content, it's all Garuda-Egi with no opportunity to use Ifrit or Titan. That's pretty disappointing, and I'd like for Ifrit and Titan avatars to also play active roles in party content.
Y: Earlier I talked about Black Mage from my own point of view, but I've also seen that Garuda was always used on summoner. Originally we intended for each avatar to play a different role depending on the content and party setup. Since Garuda has the highest DPS, Garuda is used in the most content, so I think that's the main issue. If we made the other avatars stronger, then Summoner would be stronger overall, and if we made Garuda weaker to compensate for powering up the others, then the reverse could be true, so we are carefully considering what to do. It's a cute summon, but in the future you'll be able to summon a certain old man and a sister clothed in ice who's also quite cute. Although actually I wish I could copy the Mammet with the Mirage Prism."
--Are those summons coming next, or will Leviathan?
Y: Leviathan, hmm... I'm not sure whether Ramuh or Leviathan will come first (laughs). I think it'll happen when the level cap is raised, so I really can't say yet.

And FYI, devs never promised anything but they did say they are and now they say they aren't.

They straight up said no new egi and people are upset because they expect new pets for a pet job. Keep Bahamut's Breath and just give me Bahamut otherwise I might as well be playing Blue Mage.

Hey you forgot to Bold the part where he said I think, and he can't really say now.

[Dervy]

The thing is, if you go back to the translations (which are vague), they've always said "probably" and "in the future" or "maybe when level cap is raised". Not once was, as far as I remember, did they specifically mention and confirm "you will get new egi 3.0".

And here's the next thing, once you have an Egi for every single Primal, you'll need to ensure that only only is the Summoner balanced vs every other job, but the Egis are balanced out against each other but also unique. In every competitive scene, there will always be "one build" and one egi will be used more than the rest. This cuts a lot into development time, which is then inevitably wasted, unless they make reskins of the same pet and people will then QQ about that. They could of invested resources into other battle mechanics and areas in the game, so I can genuinely see their decision for not making a completely new Egi.

This is why, whenever a developer says "in the future" for a feature in any game, always take it with a grain of salt in case of disappointment.

[Dualblade]

Dervy's got it, in a better way than I could say it so I'll just add something of my own: We basically go up to four primals we can use in one way or another with the Dreadwyrm stacks adding in Bahamut. Said stacks also adds in something else for future updates to SMNs, allowing us to basically channel the primals in ourselves which, aside from using their awesome attacks (without the long cutscenes), will also probably be much easier to balance.

Actually now that I think about it, the whole thing with Iceheart and Shiva may have been them foreshadowing their future plans this whole time.

[Dervy]

Dervy's got it, in a better way than I could say it so I'll just add something of my own: We basically go up to four primals we can use in one way or another with the Dreadwyrm stacks adding in Bahamut. Said stacks also adds in something else for future updates to SMNs, allowing us to basically channel the primals in ourselves which, aside from using their awesome attacks (without the long cutscenes), will also probably be much easier to balance.

Actually now that I think about it, the whole thing with Iceheart and Shiva may have been them foreshadowing their future plans this whole time.

That's a good point. The apparent Shiva/Ramuh/Leviathan Egis might end up being "Trances" instead. We already know we're getting a Dreadwyrm Trance

so maybe we'll also get a Phoenix Trance as Lousoix did say we could call for him when in dire need at the end of T12

, or other primal infuses in the future?

[Dualblade]

That's a good point. The apparent Shiva/Ramuh/Leviathan Egis might end up being "Trances" instead. We already know we're getting a Dreadwyrm Trance

so maybe we'll also get a Phoenix Trance as Lousoix did say we could call for him when in dire need at the end of T12

, or other primal infuses in the future?

Well based on how the Odin quest ended I think we know of one that would be pretty easy to tie in...

[Kuponutz]

That's a good point. The apparent Shiva/Ramuh/Leviathan Egis might end up being "Trances" instead. We already know we're getting a Dreadwyrm Trance

so maybe we'll also get a Phoenix Trance as Lousoix did say we could call for him when in dire need at the end of T12

, or other primal infuses in the future?

I hadn't thought of that but I love the idea.