Another Upset Summoner

[Kuponutz]

I won't be excited about Bahamut and Akh Morn until I see it in game. As has been said prior it's a great concept, a great idea, but if all it does is pretty lights and mediocre damage on a long cool down then it's not worth it. I mean, Endkindle is a great ability, it does a lot of damage and is nice, but it has the longest recast time of any ability in FFXIV right now. So it would be easy to get just as excited about Enkindle by reading the tool tip and watching a video, that doesn't mean it's actually going to do much in the long run. One of the things I wanted to see in the xpac was a reduction on Enkindle's timer because having to wait 5 min when wiping on progression is ridiculous.

So, excuse me if I don't get giddy with excitement over Akh Morn yet, all we saw was literally the animation we have zero idea of the damage it does or the cd on it, but hey, pretty white light, we should be happy and not be upset about all the other shortcomings SMN has right now. I guess we should quit complaining because white lights are shiny.

[Akeda]

I rarely post in the forums (I'd rather play the game than listen to people QQ) but as a SMN main I wanted to throw my two cents in.


If any one class was to feel upset/disappointed it should be Disciples of Land and then DoH. I don't understand why there isn't more upset players about SE making DoH classes playable only by rich players and encouraging RMT, but that's a discussion for another thread. That said, IMO most of the disappointment comes from feeling mislead by the devs. A lot of players were led to believe that we'll have a new egi at the expansion with comments like "we can't give Summoner a Egi because it would be unfair, please wait till the expansion" and "when we raise the level cap". It's not a game patch it's a whole expansion we have to buy (and not cheaply either) so a new egi is not an unreasonable thing to expect.

[Akeda]

I'm more disappointed in how little the devs seem to care about the Summoner class in general. They couldn't be bothered to give us a vanity weapon in the Golden Saucer and they need to stop putting spell speed on our gear. They also need to remove the damage shield from Ifrit and replace it with a ability that is actually useful. MOST importantly they need to make Titan into a DPS pet instead of a tank. Titan-Egi is only good for the lulz and in any dungeon or endgame content he is even more useless than Tri-Bind.

Lastly, I agree with what Kuponutz said. I don't know why people are circle jerking over a spell that we have no information on. Because it's Bahamut? Because it has a fancy particle effect?
"While under the effect of this ability, you’ll be able to gain stacks of Bahamut Aether" We don't even know how many stacks we'll need, if they have a timer, or even what we need to do to gain them. Will we be restricted from using Aetherflow at the same time?

[pandabearcat]

Yea but similarly to the people all happy about ahk morn, you seem to be pooping on it with no evidence that it will suck.

It is an aesthetically pleasing spell, having bahamut aether will change our rotation up, and so we'll have to see whether it'll be more interesting or not.

I'm leaning towards the former.

[Galand]

Yea but similarly to the people all happy about ahk morn, you seem to be pooping on it with no evidence that it will suck.

It is an aesthetically pleasing spell, having bahamut aether will change our rotation up, and so we'll have to see whether it'll be more interesting or not.

I'm leaning towards the former.

I swear people see the stupid light show and did not even listen to anything else and just rampantly defend and go nuts for it. Oh you know that trademark ability of Bahamut that any Final Fantasy fan should recognize..oh wait thats Mega Flare...... WTF is ahk morn? Oh that spell that only 1% of the population has seen, oh okay iam so happy iam getting that

[pandabearcat]

Its a cool looking ability...? Whats wrong with a cool looking ability?

Just because you think it looks stupid doesn't mean all people do.

Furthermore why do you think it means that megaflare doesn't exist?

Why are you hating on an ability that you've only just seen?

[valoiz2]

I was hoping it too... or even a new pet with his own special action to make it unique or something.

[Judge_Xero]

People gonna be mad even if we get Mega Flare as SMN LB

[Galand]

Its a cool looking ability...? Whats wrong with a cool looking ability?

Just because you think it looks stupid doesn't mean all people do.

Furthermore why do you think it means that megaflare doesn't exist?

Why are you hating on an ability that you've only just seen?

My point is that people see this one thing and have thrown out all of our wants and needs as a class because were getting Druid's moonfire from Warcraft, they learn that at level 10

[Kuponutz]

Its a cool looking ability...? Whats wrong with a cool looking ability?
Why are you hating on an ability that you've only just seen?

Because we have a lot "cool looking' abilities on SMN now. Just because it looks pretty doesn't mean it does squat for damage or utility. No one is hating on it, we're just not passing judgement based on the cool name and pretty animation. As I said above it has potential, but considering how SMN has been treated by devs in the past year (see Akeda's comments) was it really too much to ask to have the egis we were promised and to have them fix the job a little bit. Heck even giving us our own gear, or make it where if we use food (mainly acc food) affect our pets would have been something, this is a joke. Why is it that every single other class can use acc food to meet requirements, yet we have one requirement for us, and another for our pet. You can't give us gear that meets BLM needs but then demand more accuracy for SMN with shared gear pool.

This is just the final nail in the coffin. They could have done so much with SMN and it's basically us getting walked all over once again, silly us for thinking they would actually deliver this time.

If I could have a SMN wishlist it would look something like this, in no particular order.

1. New egis we were promised.
2. Reduce CD timer on Enkindle to 3 min, or have it reset when there is a wipe.
2. Separate gear for SMN and BLM.
3. Allow food to affect pets OR either lower the acc requirements for pets or give us more acc gear.
4. Balance egis so they all have a purpose in endgame, party content.
5. Change Bane back to hitting all mobs in same area.

I don't feel like any of these are asking too much, SMN needs an overhaul and these, among other things, could help. I can see ppl saying the Bane one might be OP but until you have to dot 2-3 other adds and then Bane off them to hit the rest of the targets you have no idea what a pain this is. Obv egis aren't going to happen but I put it up there anyway.
Changing Enkindle to 3 mins would make it same as Perfect Balance for MNKs. There is no reason one should have a longer CD than the other.
At this point I am pretty sure we're not likely to get any of these things either in xpac, or ever, but I think they should be considered.