Another Upset Summoner

[Zhamkyong]

If they can do it in XI they can do it in XIV, fix the Elemental Wheel situation (not holding my breath)

Its not about the Elemental Wheel. This is not FFXI, thats the problem.

FFXI SMN has a lore, a story and a purpose, and so it has the SMN in the FFXIV. The action in the game its too fast, to frenetic to have something similar to the Primals of FFXI in this game. The ideas behind them are too diferent to achieve something equal between them.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Its not about the Elemental Wheel. This is not FFXI, thats the problem.

Actually the fact there is no elemental wheel is entirely the problem why it is not so simple to implement new Egi play styles and give them all an equal reason to be used. The only reason it worked in XI was coz there was a proper elemental wheel that dictated what element was strong/weak against another, giving the SMN a reason to use all the Avatars. However in ARR there is no proper elemental wheel, yet each Primal/Egi still belongs to a particular element.

In ARR's current state it would be near impossible for SMN to get an Egi of every Primal and for it to have it's own unique uses (there is only so many types of pet play styles). So the only real options going forward are to introduce a proper Elemental Wheel so each Egi is strong/weak to a particular element. This of course would break BLM and force SE to rework it (never going to happen) Or they could just go with the Egi glamour option and work on the 3 Egi types (Ranged/Tank/Melee) which is actually way more efficient and cuts down development time without effecting BLM and allows new Egi to be released with a new Primal, as SMN will no longer have to wait for level cap increases for them to be released as they are just technical glamours.

[Tayolynn]

I posted on the other RIP Summoner thread that I was upset about not having new egi's, but now that this new approach of Ahk Morn with Bahamut Trance and what other's have said, I'm starting to see the other perspective in a better light. Who knows, the Bahamut Trance may evolve from Ahk Morn to Megaflare as we get stronger. This could give leeway in the future for other trances/signature moves of summons, with Shiva's Diamond Dust, Levi's Tsunami, etc. without being restricted to melee, ranged, and tank roles for egi's.

And it also holds true to the summoner role, as how summons were carried out in the classic FF series, where they do one strong signature attack, and that's it. Egi skins would be okay too, just to keep the FFXIV summoner utility, but this new direction can open good opportunities as well.

[Zhamkyong]

Actually the fact there is no elemental wheel is entirely the problem...

If they add the elemental wheel they must rework not only the Egi, also the BLM (Fire and Ice mechanic) and theyr actions. And i would add the WHM on the list, too. (Stone and Aero). They would need to do a complete rework to the game. Also, if they add actions to each elemental Egi like in the FFXI, they would need to add buffs to the whole party on them to cast. (Like stoneskin in Titan, for example).

Again, the changes they talked about the Trance implies more dept in the Summoner on FFXIV lore, like it or not. Also, they stated on working to add new actions on the existing Egis to make them more viable.

I'd like to point out aside from the glorious age of blinding tanks with Akh Morn coming they DID say they are giving more skills to pets so there may be incentive to use more than just Ruda....

^Exactly that.

[SoloWingMetatron]

If they add the elemental wheel they must rework not only the Egi, also the BLM (Fire and Ice mechanic) and theyr actions.

Clearly you did not read my post as I said BLM would have to be reworked....that is precisely why I also said an elemental wheel will probably never happen as a result and yes WHM would also need a rework. Which just goes to show my point that the Egi glamours are probably the best and most efficient way development wise to bring us more Egi. Furthermore I am perfectly happy with the Bahamut Trance ability, I think it's awesome but it isn't going to replace the Egi or mean that the Egi will be removed. The Egi will still exist for abilities such as Enkindle as well as added DPS if nothing else.

[Zhamkyong]

Clearly you did not read my post as I said BLM would have to be reworked...

Ouch, my bad there.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Ouch, my bad there.

Lol indeed. You're right though ARR is not XI and without XI's elemental wheel we can't have a SMN that works the same way, and that's not a bad thing. Why should SMN be confined to a single box. Also as you say the Bahamut Trance works with the SMN's lore in ARR, so it's the perfect way to give SMN some burst DPS. I am interested to see what new abilities will come to the Egi also coz it would be great to have them all more balanced and viable.

[Dyvid]

Lol indeed. You're right though ARR is not XI and without XI's elemental wheel we can't have a SMN that works the same way, and that's not a bad thing. Why should SMN be confined to a single box. Also as you say the Bahamut Trance works with the SMN's lore in ARR, so it's the perfect way to give SMN some burst DPS. I am interested to see what new abilities will come to the Egi also coz it would be great to have them all more balanced and viable.

Honestly I was hoping for an Egi that was pure AoE to help with speed runs. Guess it was a pipe dream ; ;

[Kuponutz]

If they add the elemental wheel they must rework not only the Egi, also the BLM (Fire and Ice mechanic) and theyr actions. And i would add the WHM on the list, too. (Stone and Aero). They would need to do a complete rework to the game. Also, if they add actions to each elemental Egi like in the FFXI, they would need to add buffs to the whole party on them to cast. (Like stoneskin in Titan, for example).

Did you even read what I and Solo wrote?