Another Upset Summoner

[Kuponutz]

That's a good point. The apparent Shiva/Ramuh/Leviathan Egis might end up being "Trances" instead. We already know we're getting a Dreadwyrm Trance

so maybe we'll also get a Phoenix Trance as Lousoix did say we could call for him when in dire need at the end of T12

, or other primal infuses in the future?

I hadn't thought of that but I love the idea.

[Akiza]

I think we'll get trance abilities for all the other 6 primals eventually but they haven't shown all the new skills and pet abilities since the lore states we can also channel the energy or the primal as well.

[Ryuko]

Their decision to not give us new egis in lieu of other functionality was fine, in my opinion.

There is NO elemental wheel in this game. AKA, you can use wind against wind and it's fine. You could use earth against wind and it's fine. Ice isn't strong against wind, nor is it weak against fire. It is what it is. So, having multiple egis with the same role doesn't really make sense. How could we possibly have SIX different pets with six different sets of abilities, and somehow think that each pet will be viable at some point? For most fights, SMN will strictly use Garuda... unless the boss will be standing still a lot, then Ifrit is viable. But, Titan never gets used in fights and Ifrit is still pretty rare... so how would they spruce things up? By creating varied roles... tank/melee/ranged... and that's what we have. They already did confirm that we'll get 'aesthetic' choices for our pets... so there's that. Sure, it's not the same as having six buttons on your hot bar, but it is EFFECTIVELY the same.

I'm happy about the whole Dreadwyrm Trance thing... for a few reasons. First, AKH MORN. Second, the lore behind being able to gain affinity for the Dreadwyrm Trance. And, third, the fact that our rotation SHOULD get a little more interesting and complicated. Some people already complain that it is difficult to optimize summoner in every fight, but I see it as a challenge, and this as more of a challenge. Of course, as all jobs gain new abilities, this will be true for everyone... but there seems to be a real divide between, "Here's when you use aetherflow stacks" and "Here's when you use Dreadwyrm Trance." If you have a firm understanding of the fight, you'll be able to balance out when it would be best to use everything. Of course, this is all speculation... but pretty cool in my mind.

Finally... from a lore perspective (mixed with the functionality and lack of elemental strengths/weaknesses), the effect of 'aesthetic' changes in egis is essentially the same; we are channeling and gathering aether, and that aether is taking the form of an egi. That is, we are drawing from the same energy source that creates the primals, but our egis are NOT an 'avatar' of those primals. So, our energy is all coming from the same place, even if it does gain an elemental aspect... which is 'artificial' in this game... Keeping this in mind... what is the lore behind channeling the Dreadwyrm Trance!? I need an answer. I'm excited about this. I love the lore behind SMN in this game, even if others want it to be a clone of other FFs. (Most common is FFX and FFXI because, avatar out all the time... but people have also requested... "Let us summon it temporarily for a big move.") I like that SE is going in a new direction with this.

[papichulo123]

you will get new summons just not now chill guys

[Dervy]

And FYI, devs never promised anything but they did say they are and now they say they aren't.

However, I’m sure many are wondering if they will have to continue looking at the same egi forever, but we are planning to add a system in the future that will allow you to change the appearance of your egis, including Carbuncle, but their stats will remain the same.

They never said you'll never get new Egis though... But instead of having Unique Egis, with 5 of them being utterly useless and another which is "Meta", they're just going to give you a mechanic to change their skin.

[melflomil]

Tokyo FATE in Mar 2014 - "I enjoy playing summoner as my main job, but when it comes to end game content, it's all Garuda-Egi with no opportunity to use Ifrit or Titan. That's pretty disappointing, and I'd like for Ifrit and Titan avatars to also play active roles in party content.
Y: Earlier I talked about Black Mage from my own point of view, but I've also seen that Garuda was always used on summoner. Originally we intended for each avatar to play a different role depending on the content and party setup. Since Garuda has the highest DPS, Garuda is used in the most content, so I think that's the main issue. If we made the other avatars stronger, then Summoner would be stronger overall, and if we made Garuda weaker to compensate for powering up the others, then the reverse could be true, so we are carefully considering what to do. It's a cute summon, but in the future you'll be able to summon a certain old man and a sister clothed in ice who's also quite cute. Although actually I wish I could copy the Mammet with the Mirage Prism."
--Are those summons coming next, or will Leviathan?
Y: Leviathan, hmm... I'm not sure whether Ramuh or Leviathan will come first (laughs). I think it'll happen when the level cap is raised, so I really can't say yet.

And FYI, devs never promised anything but they did say they are and now they say they aren't.

They straight up said no new egi and people are upset because they expect new pets for a pet job. Keep Bahamut's Breath and just give me Bahamut otherwise I might as well be playing Blue Mage.

Hey you forgot to Bold the part where he said I think, and he can't really say now.

[SoloWingMetatron]

I don't understand why people are still bitching...SE have confirmed they are working on a new Egi glamour system so either way we will be getting future Egi in one way or another. Also let's be real for a second, if said glamour system was to be implemented for the release of Heavensward with Carbuncle, Leviathan, Ramuh, and Shiva as new Egi glamours everyone would be loving it with no complaints....just saying.

I am sure SE would have implemented this into HW had they not had to essentially overhaul how the core job works in a way that works with the SMN's lore. They simply chose to prioritize this over the new Egi glamour system, which will be coming at a later date (most likely in a future HW patch)

[AreeyaJaidee]

Blue Summoner Mage

[SoloWingMetatron]

Actually SE never lied. Also if you actually look on the pet bar (PS3/PS4 version) you will see there is still FOUR empty ability slots to be filled with potential new Egi abilities. So yeah the Egi could indeed get new abilities, maybe not for the release of HW but they could easily get them in the future.

Also you are not taking into consideration the work SE have to put into the game as a whole (what other MMO do you know of that has released an expansion as big as HW!) They need to prioritse the content for all players and rightly so. Trying to focus on implementing X number of new Egi, each one with unique play style would be a major ball ache for the developers and would mean something would have to be sacrificed in order to balance so many new Egi. Also you can't compare it to any other job as SMN is the only job in the FF franchise that utilizes a vast number of pets/summons.

SE have made the right call coz when you think about how the game works it's really the only viable option to give SMN's Egi of every Primal. If they were to do it your way we would probably only get 1-3 more new Egi tops.

Personally I would much rather have an Egi of every Primal that are glamours, than just a couple more unique Egi.

[Senliten]

Why then should smn get the short end of the stick?

How do we even know SE is going to follow through with the Glamour's given that they just passed the buck and outright lied to us about smn already?

They didn't lie. People took Yoshi-P's words too hard in the paint, assumed when he talked bout the egi's way back when that it was a done deal, and now people are crying foul. Lets put it this way, just because he says 'maybe', or 'would like', does not mean it is a done deal. He is a producer and not the one doing all the back end heavy lifting. Those that did the back end work prolly saw it may not of been a wise choice for balance reasons, informed em, and prolly agreed with their sentiment that it may be a bit wiser to hold off or think off a new way to implement different egi's. Which is why we are being previewed more player related skills than pet stuff currently. Which ontop of what was shown is not the full monty of what we have. Example of course being the new trance, we see simply Akh Morn that uses it, but it was mentioned trance has stacks. So what bout the count of trance stacks, the benefits of stacks that fit into the lore of how powerful bahamut was (which would make for a nice way to give extra potency to our current abilities),or flat out any new abilities that would end up using them that have benefits for our pets? But instead of looking at what was said, mentioned, and more or less can be possibly hyped to theory on, lets just all cry at how somehow 'se lied to us about pets' when they never really did.