Another Upset Summoner

[Kuponutz]

I won't be excited about Bahamut and Akh Morn until I see it in game. As has been said prior it's a great concept, a great idea, but if all it does is pretty lights and mediocre damage on a long cool down then it's not worth it. I mean, Endkindle is a great ability, it does a lot of damage and is nice, but it has the longest recast time of any ability in FFXIV right now. So it would be easy to get just as excited about Enkindle by reading the tool tip and watching a video, that doesn't mean it's actually going to do much in the long run. One of the things I wanted to see in the xpac was a reduction on Enkindle's timer because having to wait 5 min when wiping on progression is ridiculous.

So, excuse me if I don't get giddy with excitement over Akh Morn yet, all we saw was literally the animation we have zero idea of the damage it does or the cd on it, but hey, pretty white light, we should be happy and not be upset about all the other shortcomings SMN has right now. I guess we should quit complaining because white lights are shiny.

[Akeda]

I'm more disappointed in how little the devs seem to care about the Summoner class in general. They couldn't be bothered to give us a vanity weapon in the Golden Saucer and they need to stop putting spell speed on our gear. They also need to remove the damage shield from Ifrit and replace it with a ability that is actually useful. MOST importantly they need to make Titan into a DPS pet instead of a tank. Titan-Egi is only good for the lulz and in any dungeon or endgame content he is even more useless than Tri-Bind.

Lastly, I agree with what Kuponutz said. I don't know why people are circle jerking over a spell that we have no information on. Because it's Bahamut? Because it has a fancy particle effect?
"While under the effect of this ability, you’ll be able to gain stacks of Bahamut Aether" We don't even know how many stacks we'll need, if they have a timer, or even what we need to do to gain them. Will we be restricted from using Aetherflow at the same time?

[Akeda]

I rarely post in the forums (I'd rather play the game than listen to people QQ) but as a SMN main I wanted to throw my two cents in.


If any one class was to feel upset/disappointed it should be Disciples of Land and then DoH. I don't understand why there isn't more upset players about SE making DoH classes playable only by rich players and encouraging RMT, but that's a discussion for another thread. That said, IMO most of the disappointment comes from feeling mislead by the devs. A lot of players were led to believe that we'll have a new egi at the expansion with comments like "we can't give Summoner a Egi because it would be unfair, please wait till the expansion" and "when we raise the level cap". It's not a game patch it's a whole expansion we have to buy (and not cheaply either) so a new egi is not an unreasonable thing to expect.

[pandabearcat]

Yea but similarly to the people all happy about ahk morn, you seem to be pooping on it with no evidence that it will suck.

It is an aesthetically pleasing spell, having bahamut aether will change our rotation up, and so we'll have to see whether it'll be more interesting or not.

I'm leaning towards the former.

[Galand]

Yea but similarly to the people all happy about ahk morn, you seem to be pooping on it with no evidence that it will suck.

It is an aesthetically pleasing spell, having bahamut aether will change our rotation up, and so we'll have to see whether it'll be more interesting or not.

I'm leaning towards the former.

I swear people see the stupid light show and did not even listen to anything else and just rampantly defend and go nuts for it. Oh you know that trademark ability of Bahamut that any Final Fantasy fan should recognize..oh wait thats Mega Flare...... WTF is ahk morn? Oh that spell that only 1% of the population has seen, oh okay iam so happy iam getting that

[ManaKing]

I swear people see the stupid light show and did not even listen to anything else and just rampantly defend and go nuts for it. Oh you know that trademark ability of Bahamut that any Final Fantasy fan should recognize..oh wait thats Mega Flare...... WTF is ahk morn? Oh that spell that only 1% of the population has seen, oh okay iam so happy iam getting that

That's easy. Ahk Morn was something new for Bahamut specifically for this game. If you've fought against him, you know it's a crazy light show of doom and honestly it's pretty bad ass. If you've tanked it, it's a lot of 'oh shit' moments back to back. If we can get any of that experience and turn it onto our enemies, it will wreck face. The various 'Flares' are cool and are possibly included in SMN somewhere, but honestly I think the dev team did a great job designing Ahk Morn and I think it's the right choice to add to SMN for this game. BLM already has Flare, I don't personally want to have an ability that can be compared to Flare because someone will get hurt feelings and honestly that means both jobs lose.

[Lorielle]

That's easy. Ahk Morn was something new for Bahamut specifically for this game. If you've fought against him, you know it's a crazy light show of doom and honestly it's pretty bad ass. If you've tanked it, it's a lot of 'oh shit' moments back to back. If we can get any of that experience and turn it onto our enemies, it will wreck face. The various 'Flares' are cool and are possibly included in SMN somewhere, but honestly I think the dev team did a great job designing Ahk Morn and I think it's the right choice to add to SMN for this game. BLM already has Flare, I don't personally want to have an ability that can be compared to Flare because someone will get hurt feelings and honestly that means both jobs lose.

Funny thing about this is when watching the video...Even though it LOOKS like Ahk Morn, it doesn't FEEL like Ahk Morn. This is something I'm hardly pleased with and I don't get why others are. To me it's just an empty replica of white light.

[Natsuno]

BLM already has Flare, I don't personally want to have an ability that can be compared to Flare because someone will get hurt feelings and honestly that means both jobs lose.

Yup, I think that's the 'Flare' line of spells are pretty much reserved for BLM at this point. Giving Mega/Tera/Whatever-Flare to SMN would be too much of a blurring between the two jobs. If any more Flares make it into the game as job skills, they'll be given to BLM.

This way we're more unique with regards to the other jobs (except SCH which we share our base class with ofc).

[Sayora]

I'm not really bummed about it. I know we're called Summoner, but I just don't think adding new egis will really do much for us. As to them "promising" new egis, their attitudes and ideas just change over time so it's really just wiser to take it with a "Believe it when I see it." attitude. I'm really just going to save my pitchfork for the 3.0 patchnotes, when we can get a list of what's really gonna happen.


As for Bahamut, I kind of like the fact that Elder Primals do something entirely different to the Summoner than your normal primal. Wonder how that's going to be explained though, can't help but think it'll involve that dungeon that looked like it belonged in FCoB.

[pandabearcat]

Its a cool looking ability...? Whats wrong with a cool looking ability?

Just because you think it looks stupid doesn't mean all people do.

Furthermore why do you think it means that megaflare doesn't exist?

Why are you hating on an ability that you've only just seen?