RIP Ninja

[Kallera]

I think this reddit post details some of the concerns people have with NIN: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...lls_in/crl4hz6

[Sapphic]

Lololololol.

They aren't and if you are getting out parsed by a NIN with equal gear then you need to look at your rotation and how you play as MNK.

[juniglee]

I think this reddit post details some of the concerns people have with NIN: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...lls_in/crl4hz6

Thank you for posting this. I read everything, and I fully agree with what the poster said.

[Pluvia]

Thank you for posting this. I read everything, and I fully agree with what the poster said.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...lI1VGvrnl0/pub
There is a list of what we know about the classes and everything else in heavensward nothing new for ninja in there just thought i'd post it just in case more info comes and it gets updated

I may just go back to monk haven't decided yet.

[Houston009]

They aren't and if you are getting out parsed by a NIN with equal gear then you need to look at your rotation and how you play as MNK.

They are, and I could say the same thing, just vice versa.

[juniglee]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...lI1VGvrnl0/pub
There is a list of what we know about the classes and everything else in heavensward nothing new for ninja in there just thought i'd post it just in case more info comes and it gets updated

I may just go back to monk haven't decided yet.

Thank you for this too!

I myself *may* make a switch to Dragoon, depending on how the changes pan out to be (since my current static already has a Monk).

[silentwindfr]

I think this reddit post details some of the concerns people have with NIN: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...lls_in/crl4hz6

amazing post, sadly, i'm worried that everything he did post will happend, we are too close of the release for them say suddenly that they will add no positional....because it's the main change of the jobs and we will look like the jobs evolving the less (what is already the case)

i feel they didn't know what add to the jobs... and did listen to most of the other community instead to listen to us. (i have told it countless time) most of the change outside refresh huton (and it not that sure) only bring one thing to the ninja... a drastic change in the wrong sense.

i feel like the op in reddit, a tons of ninja will drop of the jobs, but maybe it's what want SE... god i wish they did allows us to test this change before decide it was good enough because the jobs is out for more of 6 month. i feel that SE was quite rude to the ninja community with this statement, actually i feel it's almost insulting to us that did decide to switch to that jobs. like we don't deserve the same attention that the other jobs. it's sad, because i remember yoshida saying that the mmorpg is not different than a service, and soo far, they take every ninja for idiot!

[Sapphic]

They are, and I could say the same thing, just vice versa.

They are not, maybe to you they are, but to any good MNK, they aren't.

Only time NIN and now DRG will out parse a MNK is when MNK is constantly dropping GL stacks. With the changes coming in HW that will alleviate that weakness, MNK will shine even better in the hands of a good player (and fail even more in the hands of a bad one XD ).

[Houston009]

They are not, maybe to you they are, but to any good MNK, they aren't.

Only time NIN and now DRG will out parse a MNK is when MNK is constantly dropping GL stacks. With the changes coming in HW that will alleviate that weakness, MNK will shine even better in the hands of a good player (and fail even more in the hands of a bad one XD ).

You also play on an European (mostly European players) server in which they suffer the brunt of mudra lag. You're either playing with ninjas with bad ping, or just very bad.

"but to any good MNK", sounds like pride.

I know it's hard for you accept the facts, but its true. I'm sorry I was the one who had to tell you.

[silentwindfr]

is not really about who have the better dps between drg, mnk and nin, but more about what will happend to the ninja with the add of the positional and more important the fact that the jobs didn't get any new mechanic...

simply add new skill will not make the class more interesting, if the new skill don't bring new and fresh experience for the player. but that the point, we ninja did receive the less attention of the whole jobs present. indeed some jobs did need some change. i will never say the inverse, but the goal of an expasion, it's to expand the limit of the jobs. when i see the list of the mechanic and gameplay announced for the jobs of the game... and arrive to the ninja.... it look miserable.
everyjob outside ninja, did get a new mechanic that did bring new experience for the player... but ninja will still be played like before.... but for avoid this, instead to develop more the unique gameplay of the ninja, they did decide to put positional into it. without even thinking at the trouble it can lead.... the op of the reddit post is right, it will recquire a lot of skill for be able to pull a good dps with the positional into the skill of the ninja. we can argue for hours why it's bad.... i have give 3 reason valid to be against it.

that don't change the fact, that SE did simply ignore the trouble of the ninja and instead to work on it and bring new experience for the jobs.... they did decide to leave us with a system more broken.... what will happend to the ninja? only a few player will be able to play it correctly... and you know what? SE will need to patch the jobs for make it viable in high level content. and instead to avoid a futur trouble and respect them ninja community.... they did insult us... they take us for idiot, they did ignore us.... i'm sorry my word are hard, but it's the reality.

we did deserve more than what they decide to offer us... some piece of gameplay outdated and not adapted at what player was looking for, when they did decide to join the ninja. because they was unable to develop new mechanic nor they was able to ignore the crying of jealousy of the other community.

i'm not for the stuff like riot and petition, i found them pointless. but i feel soo much angry about what they did... all the expansion look marvelous, but this...."thing" did almost break all my excitement i had until now. because my jobs was *smirks* treated like the 5th wheel of the car. i'm sure i'm not the only one feeling this angry and displease and betrayed by SE action. it's not at the same point of the warrior, because the warrior was an error of the design... here they did take our jobs and did decide to ignore him design for change it into something broken and more important this change will bring nothing new. i'm sorry but i feel insulted by them way to handle our jobs.

ps: i doubt any petition, plea, riot stuff will change nothing, but if Yoshida and the community team really want to calm us, they need to come here and not give us craps as explanation about why they did decide to change the ninja for no reason and give us nothing new! it's time for them to step up and face us, the ninja community and talk to us. because soo far, our concern are more than legitimate and if like yoshida have said, he do consider this as a service.... we deserve some respect as player that did choose a jobs for it original design. it's time to listen to the community playing the jobs instead to the other community!