RIP Ninja

[silentwindfr]

idk about you, but I'm hella jazzed about the hate transference skill ninja is getting. Tanks love that shit.

exept good tank don't need it.... find me one time where it was needed previously and was missing?
it's a situational tool only usefull for bad tank or undergear one.

other get new buff, new usefull skill and we did get a situational skill and.... positional... seriously?

i'm the only one disappointed by the skill of the ninja announced?
even the refresh of huton is a skill that normally will have more utility if we had get more ninjutsu to use.... but that not the case! it's like they did decide randomly what to add.... without even think at the synergy or any mechanic, it was just, we must give to the ninja new stuff.

indeed the skill that refresh huton will allows us to grabe more dps, but do it will change our gameplay? depending of the extension of the duration is not even sure to be that much usefull, depending of how we must use this skill, it's possible fit it into our cycle we be more troubling than simply recast huton...

Kage-watari, the skill of aggros is too situational, we will barely use it... for me this skill don't deserve to be added with expansion, but with patch !

the only skill that are not underwhelming is the new 3 stage attack... all the rest are well... a joke?

even the skill or passive that must increase our weaponskill.... a skill of ninja increasing our weapon and not our ninjutsu... do i need to say more....

all this stuff is avoiding ninjutsu when we are ninja and it's our main tool... seriously? how is possible to miss that much what a job is about.

[Spiritreaver1217]

exept good tank don't need it.... find me one time where it was needed previously and was missing?
it's a situational tool only usefull for bad tank or undergear one.

other get new buff, new usefull skill and we did get a situation skill and.... positional... seriously?

Not picking at you in particular, but the sentiment in general: because the hate management tool is not super-duper flasherific, that somehow trumps that it is in fact a new mechanic that only NIN can use? Or that some NIN are actually looking forward to its addition? Or that it can and probably will be of use to many a NIN?

And i can't stress that last bit enough. Shrug it off if you like, but there are a lot of bad tanks out there. And there are a TON more bad DPS that exacerbate the lack of good tanks. Hate management has needed some help for a while and i personally think NIN getting a direct hand in this is a very good thing.

[silentwindfr]

Not picking at you in particular, but the sentiment in general: because the hate management tool is not super-duper flasherific, that somehow trumps that it is in fact a new mechanic that only NIN can use? Or that some NIN are actually looking forward to its addition? Or that it can and probably will be of use to many a NIN?

And i can't stress that last bit enough. Shrug it off if you like, but there are a lot of bad tanks out there. And there are a TON more bad DPS that exacerbate the lack of good tanks. Hate management has needed some help for a while and i personally think NIN getting a direct hand in this is a very good thing.

it don't change my statement, it was a skill that it was able to be added with a patch, it's not like they haven't done it before... not a skill for an expansion, i'm sorry... this situational tool is not about being flashy, but about the utility from it, the fact that it will simply give an escuse for bad tank to stay bad... sorry, a skill must'nt be used for cover for bad player... i'm sorry but this skill for me.... is not needed. until now, even with undergear tank or bad tank, i had always adapted my gameplay for never get the aggro. is not that hard.

all of this is about the fact that the ninja didn't even get a raiton 2 or stuff like this, we simply did get piece of scraps that they did find because they had no time or capacity for find better mechanic to be added.
you want to know, i will not even be surprise that when they did design the ninja, they even not planned the skill added for the expansion, thinking that it was not important since the jobs was recent. and i find it quite rude for the player that did switch to offer so ridiculous skill.

[Nalien]

Or that it can and probably will be of use to many a NIN?

I'm certainly looking forward to going balls to the wall aggressive right at the start of a pull and actually helping the tank as a result, rather than making their life harder and potentially dying if they suck.

I can see it being useful for tank swaps as well, making them much more steady and removing the need for "Don't use Regen" that I see a lot because it can mess up various tank swaps/mob split mechanics. In a perfect world perhaps it's not useful, but sometimes shit happens, taking the hate off whoever currently has it and plopping it right onto the recently raised tank will be useful. Enmity reset isn't a mechanics I think we've seen in FFXIV yet, it was certainly prominent enough in FFXI for me to remember, could be useful for that too if they decide to add it in Heavensward.

Only reason to get upset over it seems to be the lack of anything else for Ninja. I'm sure they left out similar new skills for other Jobs, but the fact that they mentioned it for Ninja indicates they don't have much to offer Ninja. Why is that a surprise though? Ninja is already the worst Job as far as worthless skills go. So many are redundant outright or can be made so. Dancing Edge is worthless with a Warrior tank. They gave us the skills for stance dancing and did nothing with it... Hide is nice in PvP and good for a free Trick Attack on trash pulls, replaced by Sution otherwise though, using it to actually sneak past anything at 50 simply doesn't work. Sneak Attack is just out right pointless at the moment. How often does anyone use Hyoton outside PvP? Christ, this is a Job which got All Fours as a trait, that trait is absolutely pointless... They were struggling to come up with ideas for Ninja when they released it, figures they'd have the same problem for raising the level cap. It's kind of amazing that Ninja is as great a Job as it is, given how many Feint/Haymaker/Tri-Disaster level of worthless skill bloat it has...

[Duuude007]

find me one time where it was needed previously and was missing?

It allows an overgeared dps to unload without concern for whether the monster will even think of turning.

Not every tank is on par with every dps. An i120 tank could easily struggle against an i130, let alone four dps, each potentially attacking a different mob.

[Riepah]

It allows an overgeared dps to unload without concern for whether the monster will even think of turning.

Not every tank is on par with every dps. An i120 tank could easily struggle against an i130, let alone four dps, each potentially attacking a different mob.

But it's 100% useless if you're in a group with people who're both geared and competent enough for the content you're doing. And in any other content it's nothing 2-3 seconds of watching your aggro and auto attacking can't fix.

[Nalien]

And in any other content it's nothing 2-3 seconds of watching your aggro and auto attacking can't fix.

That's the appeal of it though. Rather than literally doing nothing for a few seconds and halting your DPS, you can continue pushing DPS to the limit with zero repercussions as far as enmity goes, if anything you're helping the tank by zerging from the word go. For 24 man content this will be a very nice addition, generally not statics there and things can get a bit crazy with the number of adds.

I can even actually see it being fairly useful for grouped content as well. Rather than waiting for the tank to establish hate on an add (which they may have to pull from afar) I can just rush it from the word go and slap my hate onto the tank. One tank strats become much cleaner as well. Been doing a lot of pony farming lately, with DPS tanking one of Garuda's sisters, since none of them have any enmity combos that can get a bit hectic and she can bounce around a bit. Nothing world breaking, but with this I could easily make one DPS the OT and make things much smoother.

This skill will be far from useless. Sneak Attack is useless (or at least it will be when they finally go back and adjust Demon Wall to be the same as all other similar type mobs they've released since). All Fours is useless. This has its place. I'm going to laugh so hard when changes in Heavensward actually result in tanks having a harder time with enmity. Heck, if they balance the stance dancing and new DPS output accordingly this could be an invaluable tool which lets a MT stay in DPS stance for longer, meaning overall higher DPS. This is basically a "Hey tank, don't worry about your enmity just yet and stay in Sword Oath/Deliverance/Darkside for a bit longer" skill when it comes to serious endgame, far from useless there.

[Viridiana]

But it's 100% useless if you're in a group with people who're both geared and competent enough for the content you're doing.

Bull****. Even in the situation most favorable to your statement, which would be a mid-fight tank swap, it still gives the incoming tank enough of an immediate aggro lead (regardless of what attack the outgoing tank uses) that the outgoing tank doesn't need to hold back aggro at all and can continue to dps with no worries about taking hate back and dying. Not much, but I did say that it was the situation that most favors what you're talking about. Now let's look at ones that favor my point:

Tank not very geared? Here, have some of my aggro. I'm sitting at orange, anyway, it's not like I want it.

Add spawn that doesn't allow tank to combo for snap aggro? Here's some aggro to help you make it to RoH!

Add spawn that you want the DPS to tank? Too bad DPS don't have +enmity moves. Oh wait, here, have my enmity!

Seriously, getting tired of people saying the skill is useless when it has so ******* much potential. . .

[Adire]

I was in WoD today with a Burtgang tank on the 5-headed dragon.

The tank pulled, I Shukuchi'd over as usual, weaved in my offensive buffs between my usual DE combo followed by a trick attack and kassatsu'd raiton and Aeolion edge combo. All hits crit, I ended up turning the dragon around towards the raid when I suddenly got aggro, they all scattered like cockroaches after being cleaved and caught in the massive AoE.

So I like the enmity dump skill. I'd like more exciting things added too, but I'm definitely aware of its usefulness.

[Songi]

Still a waste of a new skill.