RIP Bard

[Yuri_Hyuga]

The sole reason I play Bard is because it's the only job that can freely move around while doing it's job.

If this is some extra thing that I can decide if I will use or not..cool.

If it undeniably makes you better than a Bard that DOESN'T use this skill and everyone will get mad at me for not using it then.. I guess I don't have a main job anymore. Maybe Botanist. /sigh..

Completely agree. Just as bad as giving NIN's positionals. Not the right direction IMHO.

This new Bard song should simply add the cast-times & slow our movement quite a bit... so we can still move, albeit with less freedom so there's a danger to it yet we can still retain that element to the class we love when toggling it.

Honestly, this type of ability sounds better suited to Machinist... they seem a better fit to become a "living turret."

I know some of their abilities already have charge-times in contrast to BRD, but it could further slow the casts & movement in exchange for stronger deeps.

[SongJoohee]

Completely agree. Just as bad as giving NIN's positionals. Not the right direction IMHO.

This new Bard song should simply add the cast-times & slow our movement quite a bit... so we can still move, albeit with less freedom so there's a danger to it yet we can still retain that element to the class we love when toggling it.

Read the dev post. That's.... exactly what it does (without the slowed movement). You can move with it still up, but as you have cast times you will not be doing dps.

[Yuri_Hyuga]

Read the dev post. That's.... exactly what it does (without the slowed movement). You can move with it still up, but as you have cast times you will not be doing dps.

Sorry, I understand that but should have been more clear.

I just meant that it should permit move-and-cast functionality.

In exchange, slowed movement. I just find it a lot more interesting.

Especially if it were like a Deploy/Snipe sort of deal for MCH. Maybe their variant come 4.0 could be this idea of mine.

[Crazypluto]

The sole reason I play Bard is because it's the only job that can freely move around while doing it's job.

If this is some extra thing that I can decide if I will use or not..cool.

If it undeniably makes you better than a Bard that DOESN'T use this skill and everyone will get mad at me for not using it then.. I guess I don't have a main job anymore. Maybe Botanist. /sigh..

I feel the same way, I've been playing since beta and now the only play style/class I like in the whole game gets changed I kinda just want to stop playing

[Kaze3434]

The sole reason I play Bard is because it's the only job that can freely move around while doing it's job.

If this is some extra thing that I can decide if I will use or not..cool.

If it undeniably makes you better than a Bard that DOESN'T use this skill and everyone will get mad at me for not using it then.. I guess I don't have a main job anymore. Maybe Botanist. /sigh..

the fact that people are making comments like yours because you have to work a little bit harder to do more damage is baffling and disappointing. you know all of two things about this song; it adds a cast time to moves and increases dmg of moves. the only valid worry i have seen people bring up is about blood leter and thats it.

your thoughts pretty much come down to this; "Oh no, i cant run and shoot and still keep up with others using a certain skill anymore! JOB BROKEN, THANKS SE!"

[SongJoohee]

the only valid worry i have seen people bring up is about blood leter and thats it.

My favourite thing about this is that if you look at the video it appears they do use a Bloodletter but it looks a little bit different (Song -> Venom -> Wind -> Bloodletter? -> Barrage -> Heavy Shot? -> Sidewinder (dot buff), we have the smallest details on Minuet and it may change so many things. Bloodletter may actually be one of them. Probably something that disables it from Proccing for a trade-off while in Minuet.

Oh well, not be a surprise that people are jumping too conclusions without knowing the other over-half of bards new abilities.

It's fine people being against the concept of the skill, but people jumping to conclusions on how it interacts with other abilities is just straight up hilarious -- and some people even thinking SE hasn't considered the trade-offs made to use Minuet and haven't factored that into how much it buffs your skills is really, really sad, and unfortunately shows how little confidence players have in SE.

And to be honest, you could see this ability coming from the stratosphere of pluto.

[Lemuria]

you know all of two things about this song; it adds a cast time to moves and increases dmg of moves. the only valid worry i have seen people bring up is about blood leter and thats it.

Actually, we know three things. Firstly that it adds a cast time, secondly that it increases damage and thirdly that it removes auto-attacks. I agree we'll have to wait and see whether the benefits outweigh the costs, but I can fully understand why people are skeptical given how much we're sacrificing overall.

[Kat_Manx]

the fact that people are making comments like yours because you have to work a little bit harder to do more damage is baffling and disappointing. you know all of two things about this song; it adds a cast time to moves and increases dmg of moves. the only valid worry i have seen people bring up is about blood leter and thats it.

your thoughts pretty much come down to this; "Oh no, i cant run and shoot and still keep up with others using a certain skill anymore! JOB BROKEN, THANKS SE!"

Uhm... what's your point?

I'm not against working harder. The only thing I'm saying is that I like playing Bard the most because we have the freedom to move around, which we are now getting a skill we know that will limit it somehow. I'm not even saying HOW it will limit it, because nobody knows, and I clearly made a concise point telling which way I would like the new skill to work and which way I would not like it to work, without making any assumptions, but simply being sad if it turns out the way I don't want it to.

Furthermore, don't assume people play Bard because it's EASIER than any other job. It isn't.

Good job on being rude though.

[Lewtskie]

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Work a little bit harder? No, that's not our issue. If they wanted to add a new dynamic to our class they could have very well done something other than shoving an entirely different playstyle on us. ESPECIALLY a playstyle that some of us chose Bard to avoid. Sorry, but I loathe casting times, they suck. The very idea that they're are just pinning casting times on us if we're gonna parse better DPS is bull.

And on another note, Bloodletter is a big deal for Bards. So yeah, not sure where to put OGCD stuff is aggravating too. Also negating Auto Attacks also negates a cooldown we have. So as far as it goes right now a good deal of our kit just gets jacked up just so we can play pretend-caster.

[Mr_Zant]

With the limited info we've received so far, this just feels straight up cumbersome.
Why not add a few new moves with cast times on them for us to strategically place into our rotations. It would still lock us in place forcing us to wisely determine when it would be safe to use while not hindering our movement + damage