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    Quote Originally Posted by AskaRay View Post
    This is...
    well, it isn't awful, especially since we can turn it off and on. Does it have a cast time like other songs, if so how long? Is it on-GCD even while turning it off?
    To be honest this doesn't sound like the end of the world, even with all our oGCD skills. I would think the buff you get from using the song must at least consider the damage potential in those lost skill abilities or what's the point?

    I'll have to try it out before I have a more solid opinion.
    From the video it looks like it has a long cast like Ballad or Requiem but from what we got told it doesn't go away so you can cast it before starting a fight. My issue is with the nature of bloodletter... it's going to be really annoying. It's not like with Summ that you see that your OGCD is going to be ready so you can just use ruin 2 and use your ogcd in the middle of it without losing any dps.
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    If it turns our shots into a channeled ability (which is why the *holds arrow at quiver* animation is for), it'd need to some clunkiness with bloodletter procs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    If it turns our shots into a channeled ability (which is why the *holds arrow at quiver* animation is for), it'd need to some clunkiness with bloodletter procs.
    remember that we will get new traits as well , maybe we get one that make bloodletter instant even with wandereer minuet on.....or who knows
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI View Post
    Somebody please tell me where the downside to this is?

    I get STRONGER ATTACKS via a self buff, at NO MP cost, can still use my songs to support the party, and all I have to do is stand still for it to be in effect?!

    BRB, getting a Bard logo tattoo.
    Outside of the trade-off of mobility for increased oomph(which i might add is used completely at the discretion of the player-don't like it, don't use it) don't see one from the revised description given thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post
    remember that we will get new traits as well , maybe we get one that make bloodletter instant even with wandereer minuet on.....or who knows
    Bloodletter has always been instant. It's when the reset occurs mid cast that becomes clunky.

    And I hope I'm really not the only one that gets annoyed by the fact that we use a song to go into the channeled stance. Every time I look at the demo it just doesn't mesh well with bard's animations, not even the song itself has a proper audio transition now that I listen to it e.e

    Quote Originally Posted by SongJoohee View Post

    If you came around this forum a year ago almost every single bard was saying the following: I will sacrifice movement for some more DPS. They give you that, and now all the other Bards come QQing out of the cracks. it.
    That generalization though, those same bards probably aren't even in this thread. Granted I'm one of them, I just don't like how it was presented (through the use of a song and disabling auto attacks,)
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    Last edited by RiceisNice; 05-22-2015 at 11:44 PM.

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    I like it. Seems interesting. Casting = bigger hits. They dont necessarily mean better DPS but theyre still much more satisfying :P

    That entire video looks promising actually. Machinist seemed pretty basic though.
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    If it's anything like the procs for BLM, then Bloodletter will still instant proc with no cooldown or cast time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    If it's anything like the procs for BLM, then Bloodletter will still instant proc with no cooldown or cast time.
    Bloodletters can proc mid-cast though. Firestarter fire BLM happens after a cast hits.
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    https://youtu.be/kbvv0rgrT4k?t=104

    So, I think I see a different Bloodletter, with two hits. But after that, is that Barrage? Since we can't auto attack with the song up, would make sense if Barrage behaved differently with the song.

    They both may be new and different skills, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inferiae View Post
    https://youtu.be/kbvv0rgrT4k?t=104

    So, I think I see a different Bloodletter, with two hits. But after that, is that Barrage? Since we can't auto attack with the song up, would make sense if Barrage behaved differently with the song.

    They both may be new and different skills, though.
    I actually started really analyzing the motions that this Bard is doing, and I think I may have noticed something important. We know that the first action is Wanderer's Minuet since the next two actions should be recognizably to any Bard as Poison Shot and Windbite. While still under these effects though, the player then uses an instant action that requires no charge up, and due to the previous 2 actions it looked like this was the new ability Sidewinder. It could be that the reason why Sidewinder doesn't have a wind-up is because it's off the global cooldown, which means this song probably doesn't affect Bloodletter. It's then that they undoubtedly use Barrage and proceed to show us two new skills that have a charge-up. I think it's possible that these two skills shown are the Barrage upgraded version.

    The first one I'm about 90% sure is Heavy Shot, since it looks like a generic shot except with multiplied arrows. The second one I'm guessing is Straight Shot since it's the only remaining integral part of the Bard rotation that isn't obviously represented, but has an extremely different animation that doesn't quite make sense. This can't be Sidewinder since they explicitly state that Sidewinder is a physical attack. It's possible that this ability just hasn't been revealed yet, and isn't actually affected by barrage.
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