The whole Summoner "has been re-worked" is sad

[Lemuria]

No one will use an inferior pet and balancing many pets to be diverse and all equal is an unrealistic goal and one I have never seen a MMO successfully do.

So.. why is it unrealistic? They already have to balance multiple jobs, so I want to know exactly what the difference is between working on a grand scheme across the entirety of the game compared to the small scale of working across a few skills on your summons?

There is none. Zero. The only issue with balancing exists in the minds of those who don't even try.

The pet's are so barely distinguishable from each other at present. The only distinguishing feature is Garuda's Contagion because all of the remaining skills are just attack variants. Titan is a tank that can't tank. He does so little damage that his enmity boost counts for naught. Ifrit is a punching bag for every close ranged skill in the game and often a liability due to his need to close the gap. Garuda is the only ranged combatant we have and also happens to be the only one with any unique traits.

People who say it can't be reworked so that we have a real choice in summons simply have no imagination. Here's a clue: Give them all unique skills which benefit you in different situations. See? How hard was that. It should normal for us to swap summons in the middle of a battle to use a new skill not just use the same one every single time. They could significantly shorten the recast and force a recast timer should a pet die prematurely.

Sorry to pick on your post, but I'm so tired of hearing people complain that things would be 'unbalanced' one way when they clearly aren't balanced as it is!

[Gamer3427]

What about just making pet immortal, unless owner dies? Casters still have to dodge AoEs.

If they did this then players could just go in as a full party of summoners and sit back having tea and occasionally dodging AoEs and interacting with whatever mechanics the fight had while their invincible pets just attacked the enemies. If one player went down then literally everyone else there could swiftcast revive them and they could immediately swiftcast resummon once they were up.....

Now that I think about it, make this happen. I like tea, and playing the game is too much trouble......

[Higashikata]

Screw this summoing bahamut BS!

I just want new pets lol hope they make them waaay more powerful and invincible and full sized that deal the same damage as their real boss forms LMAO xd :L >_> DDDD

[Volsung]

I had a lot typed out, I'll just say I'm a bit let down.

[Starkbeaumont]

2yrs in some ppl really need to accept, that SMN won't be what they are dreaming of. just go for another class or learn to play this great job as it is designed.

[elemental10]

I think the reason they do not want to release new Egis is because of balancing problems.

Even if we have new Egis, SMN would still be relying on the Miasma, Bio2, Bio combo, and thus putting in new Egis wouldn't be much of a "rework"

If their description of Tri-Disaster inflicting all three debuffs at the same time is correct and accurate, it would have a huge impact on our gameplay where we can actually do something else other than waiting for casting times for the three.

Plus we're getting some sort of Bahamut Mode, where we get stacks and can deal some kind of High damage in that stance using those stacks. So, tri-disaster combined with Bahamut Mode and you get a rework where SMNs dont have to fling ruins all the damn time OR depend on the Egis too much for damage.

Plus.... we can change our Egis appearance now yay!

[Malusion]

Didn't they only say that tri-disaster was getting a rework? I feel like I heard them saying SMN was getting a heavy rework was a mistranslation somewhere.

[Kathryn]

I actually really like the looks of the new changes to SMN, it looks great and SMN re skins means more people can be a bit more unique as you can use a skin you like without it effecting the egi's performance.

[Shneibel]

I think the reason they do not want to release new Egis is because of balancing problems.

Even if we have new Egis, SMN would still be relying on the Miasma, Bio2, Bio combo, and thus putting in new Egis wouldn't be much of a "rework"

If their description of Tri-Disaster inflicting all three debuffs at the same time is correct and accurate, it would have a huge impact on our gameplay where we can actually do something else other than waiting for casting times for the three.

Plus we're getting some sort of Bahamut Mode, where we get stacks and can deal some kind of High damage in that stance using those stacks. So, tri-disaster combined with Bahamut Mode and you get a rework where SMNs dont have to fling ruins all the damn time OR depend on the Egis too much for damage.

Plus.... we can change our Egis appearance now yay!

the issue is, SMN will not be as SMN but remain as warlock-style

[Destomius]

So.. why is it unrealistic? They already have to balance multiple jobs, so I want to know exactly what the difference is between working on a grand scheme across the entirety of the game compared to the small scale of working across a few skills on your summons?

Comparing them to jobs is a bad comparison. Jobs are designed to work with in conjunction with each other (which is why 4x monk is not the best setup despite monk doing the most DPS)

Egis are one or the other, unless your party is running two Summoners. Point still stands that people will determine the best pet out of six to use and only one or two will likely ever see use, leaving the other four to become current Tri-Disaster status.