RIP WHM/SCH

[valoiz2]

RIP? why? i think they will be just fine. a lot of people will try with astrologian but at the end everybody come back to their main class. same thing happened to NINs. Astro will be just a 3rd healer who wil prolly fit in a party with a WHM or SCH. let's wait to see what will happen

[HeavensSword]

As to the debate with emergency tactics over Healing + Shield vs. Raw Heal. I saw this over on the tank forums regarding some of the DRK skills. So healing the DRK to 100% HP after they use Living Dead will be important.

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs...26_703328.html
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/001/056/1056760/
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• Living Dead: Holmgang equivalent skill. Unable to die for 15-20s, even if you reach 0 HP. You must be restored back to 100% HP before skill wears off, otherwise tank will die. Once 100%, buff will automatically fall off.

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[Blueyes]

The way I interpreted the comment about Astrologian having a "lower throughput" was that the raw healing amount from their healing spells are limited in the same way as Scholar. Even in Diurnal Sect they may not get a direct 600 potency heal, but will instead get a spell with a lower potency that has an added Regen effect. Granted, though Scholar itself has a low output, the presence of a fairy companion for assistance helps significantly. In theory an Astrologian should be capable of putting out higher direct healing numbers than a Scholar without a fairy, but still less than a White Mage.

There is also the point that Astrologian might not have as easy of access to their higher tier single target heal. We only know of three thus far which include Benefic, Benefic II, and Dignity. The last of which is designed for emergencies and will surely have a cooldown of some short. Benefic II is reported to be inaccessible without first gaining a proc from Benefic. (Edit: The document which had this reported has since removed that information so I will now assume it is incorrect.) That would mean being limited to a single non-AoE heal as the primary means of restoring the health of an individual. It may be safe to assume that Benefit won't have an overall potency equal to that of Cure II or Adloquium and that may give the impression that they will have a harder time keeping up. It may be difficult to reassure that will not be the case without knowing more details which should arrive in the coming weeks. Last minute changes are still being made and I don't doubt we will see balance adjustments for multiple jobs in the 3.1 patch.

[LycorisSelunis]

Benefic II is reported to be inaccessible without first gaining a proc from Benefic. .

Where did you get this? The proc effect I read about sounded more like a Freecure proc than restricted spell access. I can't find where I read it but I think it was instant cast Benefic II or something.

Even SCH with the shield-heals has a baseline 400 potency heal in Physick. I would be surprised if AST did not have the same. That being said, they get CNJ cross class actions, perhaps they could spend one on Cure?

[Blueyes]

Where did you get this? The proc effect I read about sounded more like a Freecure proc than restricted spell access. I can't find where I read it but I think it was instant cast Benefic II or something.

There are a couple documents with collective information about the new job actions and other things.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...lI1VGvrnl0/pub

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...eview?sle=true

The first one there is where the information came from. The exact source for that information is unknown to me, but the documents assures that the information comes exclusively from trusted sources.

It does appear they are breaking the mold with the most basic healing spell. This is evident by the fact that it will be affected by the chosen Sect which suggests it will have a regen or shield component. It will operate differently from Cure which means that spell could have a place as a cross class skill, but using Cure would mean fewer chances to get a proc for Benefic II and thus may or may not be worth using.

Also it is worth noting that I added up the total number of abilities with a healing component for all three jobs. Currently Astrologian has the fewest confirmed healing abilities (equal to Scholar when you discount Embrace and Whispering Dawn) which leads me to suspect that we may not know their entire healing kit yet. At the same time, though, I do believe people are trying to be very thorough with gathering information and would feel surprised if there was a healing spell not documented. Even without specific details, just knowing that it exists would go a long way. Granted the offensive spell we see Scholar use in the video hasn't been documented so perhaps there is more to Astrologian as well.

[Shamirah]

The SCH sacrifice fairy ability was so broken they said they're gonna nerf it. It was increasing your healing done by 50% lel.

[VanilleFang]

The SCH sacrifice fairy ability was so broken they said they're gonna nerf it. It was increasing your healing done by 50% lel.

Is this real? Like, is this real life?

Even written that sounds ridiculous broken. How could they even fathom that being balanced?

[LycorisSelunis]

Thanks for the links! Though they have differing notes on the benefic proc. >< MAN I cannot wait to get my hands on this class and see how it works myself.

[Nihility]

It really sounds like scholar is having it's raw healing issue fully fixed while maintaining it's crazy level of mitigation and utility
while WHM is getting more instant burst healing with it's mini-benediction and holy nova thing, even more regeneration than it already provides, and more damage options


While from what we have about astrologian is
a single target heal, an instant single target heal that works as a spell proc, an aoe heal, and an emergency heal
and then a stance that is +10% healing and adds a regen effect to each of them likely not stacking
or a stance that is +10% speed and adds shield to each of them
the reviewers said the actual healing output is lesser than whm and sch but the regen or shield effects are constantly applied, said effects are also weaker than the pure counterparts
also can't change your stance in-combat apparently
they also have a holy beacon buff that let's one person always get half their healing for a short while which is actually quite cool

and then the cards. Which sound like strong buffs but they are single target and 30s cooldown for 15s effect
and apparently there is a bad one and a couple less useful ones and the skill to make them into a big buff likely has a long cooldown and re-randomizes so you can't be like "got the card i want time for royal road!"

compare that to a scholar giving haste to the party on a 30s up 30s down timing, with a separate skill that can give the aoe 10% damage reduction, and the virus, and the healing potency and magic resistance buffs. All of it completely reliable with no randomness

for damage WHM have the beast that is holy, and are getting what are apparently are a targeted aoe DoT and direct damage, and an instant aoe that also heals allies
and scholars of course have a full suite of DoTs that can also be spread so healing while damaging is simple
and the reviewers said astrologian is all AoE but relatively weak compared to the other 2 healers

I mean a lot of what astrologian can do must be as of yet untold because it really sounds like they have the short end of the stick in just about every way