RIP summoner

[Duelle]

History of FF mmos?! There are only two, and summoners are fine in 11

Considering your class the last time around was basically "sub WHM, never summon because your avatars suck outside of Astral Flow" until the lv70 blood pacts were introduced (which meant instead of sucking all the way to 75, you just sucked from 1-69), were largely irrelevant outside of burn parties and weren't even considered for endgame until Alexander and Perfect Defense entered the game, I'd say you're still much better off with what XIV's summoner brought. Let's not forget you couldn't do anything in between Blood Pact timers and were designed to be inherently inefficient with MP. Also keep in mind that summoner in FFXI was this way for about 8 or 9 of its 13-year life.

I do have to ask SMN main players: Do you think adding abilities to current egis and just letting you change the look of the egis is better than adding new egis in-game? The fact they're going this route so early in the life of SMN tells me they're not going to add Levi/Ramuh/Shiva egi and just let you change the existing three egis to look like them. I could be (and pray that I am) wrong, but that's what it looks like right now.

Here's the mandatory WoW comparison chart for those who think you can't add egis to the game as is:

Tank Pet - Voidwalker (WoW) - Titan-egi (FFXIV)
Melee DPS Pet - Fel Guard (WoW) - Ifrit-egi (FFXIV)
Caster DPS Pet - Imp (WoW) - Garuda-egi (FFXIV)
Crowd Control Pet - Succubus (WoW)
Debuffer/DPS Pet - Fel Hunter (WoW)
AoE/Damage Aura Pet - Infernal (WoW)

[Akiza]

Summoner in this game is channeling the energy of the Primals and that's exactly what we do with Dreadwyrms Trance by absorbing Bahumats Ether. I hope we get to channel the other 6 primals.
No new Egis since there is no elemental wheel caster damage has the same effect its just applied differently so Leviathan, Ramuah and Shiva egi won't add anything different than the current three. Ifrit Egi is the only actual new summon we get as a Summoner otherwise Titan and Garuda Egi are just re skinned Carbuncle and Topaz. So instead of wasting 3 new abilities on re skinned Egis they decided to give us more Summoner abilities and flesh out the current Egis. Adding Leviathan, Ramuh and Shiva Egi with glamours is a good idea because we can just re skin the Egis ourselves and slot them in on the hot bar and we have 3 more summons complete with new animations.

[papichulo123]

they will eventually just not now

[AdamFyi]

Well.. I DID watch it. And I can assure you there was no mention of any new Egi skills.

It was lightly talked about. You had to be paying attention really closely. There were other players watching the stream who noticed it. Again, they mentioned something akin to suggesting that they would rework the summons, not anything about new skills being added to the pets. Anyway, it's too early to jump to conclusions. They've only shown and explained some of the new abilities that will be introduced during Heavensward. They talked about adjustments to older skills as well, but tried avoiding it. Protect being able to cross-class the full buff was one of them that was mentioned. So don't get your panties in a knot.

But you'd think that would be a significant focus for a 'summoner' job.

[melflomil]

I wish I can akh morn people in this thread and get rid of them. Oh well can't have everything. Wonder what other skills smn will get

[Valoiz]

Here's the mandatory WoW comparison chart for those who think you can't add egis to the game as is:

Tank Pet - Voidwalker (WoW) - Titan-egi (FFXIV)
Melee DPS Pet - Fel Guard (WoW) - Ifrit-egi (FFXIV)
Caster DPS Pet - Imp (WoW) - Garuda-egi (FFXIV)
Crowd Control Pet - Succubus (WoW)
Debuffer/DPS Pet - Fel Hunter (WoW)
AoE/Damage Aura Pet - Infernal (WoW)

Ideas
Titan= Tank egi
Ifrit= Melee Egi
Garuda= Nuker egi (increase DoT duration) / Need better look
Ramuh= DoT Egi (add an extra DoT u can Bane)
Shiva= Ranged Egi (bow) + Bind (freeze) stuff and apllly heavy
Levi= AoE egi (place water pool) for big pulls

+Give SMN a Swiftcast only to change egis
"Tri-Bind" still suck if they dont reduce mp cost/casting/increase power at least to Blizzard II level
"new tri-dissaster" still suck if only apply the 3 DoT by sacrifice 1 fester/ bane

Is easy to make every pet usefull and valuable part of the team. Dunno why SE cant see it

[Fatshine]

How do I use this as my sig Q__Q

[Sequora]

I was a little disappointed with no new egi's at first, but I will say that so far I'm very impressed visually with summoner's new abilities. Hopefully one of the new abilities is for our pets (something similar to enkindle)

[Sequora]

Ideas
Titan= Tank egi
Ifrit= Melee Egi
Garuda= Nuker egi (increase DoT duration) / Need better look
Ramuh= DoT Egi (add an extra DoT u can Bane)
Shiva= Ranged Egi (bow) + Bind (freeze) stuff and apllly heavy
Levi= AoE egi (place water pool) for big pulls

+Give SMN a Swiftcast only to change egis


Is easy to make every pet usefull and valuable part of the team. Dunno why SE cant see it

It's easy to say that, but long story short, one of the pets is going to outshine the others and be used in 95% of situations. I use ifrit probably 85% of the time, garuda rarely for magic or AoE damage, and titan once in a while for soloing. I do wish there would be an ability to swap pets instantly and free. I would like to see more abilities like enkindle where you give your pet a command.

[Azalie_eriza]

I really am thrilled over the changes!! Ofc new egis would have been nice, but the fact that we have more SMN abilities and can channel frkn BAHAMUT?! Thats just awesome!!