Too much, now too little. AutoAttack

[Halvaard_Vidan]

Yes, there's probably umpteen dozen of this thread already but I felt like I probably have a somewhat different opinion.

When I started 14, I enjoyed it because it was different. It wasn't perfect, but it was okay. I'd played 11 and a few other MMOs, and 14, while borrowing from a few, was fairly unique.

Manual attacking kept you busy and was to a certain extent fun. You could easily decrease your damage output by slowing your attacks and weaponskills. Had the emnity system been working properly I would have enjoyed this system. BUT due to continuous button pressing, it also make anything but Voice Communication during battle very inconvenient.

Now, with Auto-Attack, there is no control. There is only eying the TP bar, waiting for your next WS and hope you don't pull hate. At least we can type now but at the cost of an interesting battle system.
//Not to say it doesnt help some classes like GLA and PUG. For classes that need TP AND to be watching for certain events or other timers, autoattack is quite helpful.//

I would have preferred a hybrid system. Select a non TP attack to be repeated every so often, with the ability to speed up or slow down at the cost of stamina, with some weaponskills requiring TP and stamina to use.

Stamina didn't need to be abolished, it just needed a more creative use than effectively limiting our TP gain.

I just hope that 14 doesn't continue to slide toward generic-ness.

[Cycloptichorn]

Now, with Auto-Attack, there is no control.

Speak for yourself. It's quite easy to control whether you are auto-attacking or not.

As a Gladiator, it's a huge relief to have Auto attack. Huge relief. Lets me focus on doing my job, and not spamming a button I would have been constantly spamming anyway.

[Halvaard_Vidan]

Speak for yourself. It's quite easy to control whether you are auto-attacking or not.

As a Gladiator, it's a huge relief to have Auto attack. Huge relief. Lets me focus on doing my job, and not spamming a button I would have been constantly spamming anyway.

I don't play GLA or PUG often, forgot about how AutoAttack does help them. Edited OP. =]

[Cycloptichorn]

I don't play GLA or PUG often, forgot about how AutoAttack does help them. Edited OP. =]

Yay! Thanks.

Auto-attack helps tremendously when it comes to hate control, which helps everyone out.

[Falcus]

Speak for yourself. It's quite easy to control whether you are auto-attacking or not.

As a Gladiator, it's a huge relief to have Auto attack. Huge relief. Lets me focus on doing my job, and not spamming a button I would have been constantly spamming anyway.

Before 1.18 it was pointless to use regular attacks for the most part in anyway. It's nothing new for GLA.
Before 1.18 it was a waste of stamina so in that sense auto attack benefits GLA since they don't have to waste stamina on attacking anymore.
But for other melee classes I preferred manual attack. Only DoW I like playing now is ARC because of that. The rest are just boring now.

[Cycloptichorn]

Before 1.18 it was pointless to use regular attacks for the most part in anyway. It's nothing new for GLA.
Before 1.18 it was a waste of stamina so in that sense auto attack benefits GLA since they don't have to waste stamina on attacking anymore.
But for other melee classes I preferred manual attack. Only DoW I like playing now is ARC because of that. The rest are just boring now.

Guess I have to say I disagree with that. It's never useless to use regular attacks, as you gotta get TP somehow. No TP = no Phalanx, and that means you're a crappy Gladiator. Before I was required to basically spam the 1 key as much as possible to gain TP; now I don't. That's an improvement.

I can't speak as to what you do or don't find boring, though. I don't find auto-attack to be boring with any of the classes at all. And I must say, there certainly are a lot of people here who continue to put a lot of time into a game that they supposedly don't like much of anything about...

[Vanguard319]

Speak for yourself. It's quite easy to control whether you are auto-attacking or not.

As a Gladiator, it's a huge relief to have Auto attack. Huge relief. Lets me focus on doing my job, and not spamming a button I would have been constantly spamming anyway.

It works alright with gladiator only because the attack delay is the fastest of all DoW, but even then some of the cooldowns on some of the non-TP skills is ridiculous (a full minute for heavy stab/slash???) At present, Archer is the ONLY DoW aside from a tanking gld that feels like you're keeping busy.

I agree with the OP, the ability to auto attack should have made a toggle, at least then it would allow the player to choose what style they needed.

[Murugan]

It works alright with gladiator only because the attack delay is the fastest of all DoW, but even then some of the cooldowns on some of the non-TP skills is ridiculous (a full minute for heavy stab/slash???) At present, Archer is the ONLY DoW aside from a tanking gld that feels like you're keeping busy.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if that is the case you are playing wrong. This is simply not the case, not even with MRD the slowest delay class. You really must be missing out on some key things you should be doing if this is the case.

[AsterBarnivere]

I said it before and I'll say it again, if that is the case you are playing wrong. This is simply not the case, not even with MRD the slowest delay class. You really must be missing out on some key things you should be doing if this is the case.

Last time I checked, there is no right or wrong way to play a game.

[Murugan]

Last time I checked, there is no right or wrong way to play a game.

You are absolutely wrong and I'm sorry. I guess if what you want is to watch your auto attack instead of using your other useful abilities, and then be bored, and then come here and complain about it... then well you are absolutely playing the right way too!

I think though you are playing wrong, and that is why you are having this problem. It is absurd that you would come and loudly complain about the issue you are creating for yourself by not using abilities you could be using instead of just "sitting there doing nothing". Congratulations you are awesome at making yourself bored, but that has not the fault of the "slow" combat system since you are simply choosing to make it slow for you.

and in the same aspect you were complaining about spamming one was a problem. if you were spamming 1 you were playing it wrong with the old system.

The difference between the way I played then and the way I play now of course is that I use a greater variety of abilities more often, sometimes much closer together for burst damage or some more evenly spread out. Auto attack frees you up to do more since a certain amount of your basics are abstracted, and the removal of stamina means you have much more freedom to choose whether to group abilities or spread them out.

The new combat system has me playing "faster and, involving more strategy, based on a more logical flow." I don't think there is any question that it is better, faster, and more flexible unless someone deliberately sat there and neglected a portion of their abilities.