Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[TAS]

I understand the desire to help newer and struggling players complete content but is Nerfing truly necessary for all content presented to us that was (Reasonably) challenging?

I'm the kind of player that loves a little competitive edge when it comes to playing new content for the first time. I love playing FFXIV, but my RL schedule makes it difficult to keep up with it all. Content like Coil for example. When I was a static for First and Second Coil, I loved being able to learn and master the mechanics.

One of my favorite things about the Final Fantasy series (and RPGs in general) were fights where you would go at it for hours; where nearly your entire party was eliminated, your resources were almost exhausted. and the mere thought pulling off that one critical blow that could mean the difference between victory, and failure.

Thus far, Endgame content in FFXIV when released, does have that edge. Heck, even The Steps of Faith posed an interesting challenge, adding a little edge to story completion. Extreme fights and even Pharos Sirius had edge... at one point.

Which leads me to my point... Is all endgame content going to suffer the fate of reduced difficulty? Like I said before, I understand the necessity of aiding players who struggle with completion, but is all endgame content going to become subject to this? Content like Coil being subject to high echo bonuses, before even attempting the fight; Reducing enemy HP; Eliminating status effects of boss mechanics; and Decreasing Damage dealt by Enemy attacks...

At the very least I wish SE would allow the option of completing endgame prior to reducing its difficult and separate the rewards to actually incline players to attempt it. Lets face it, If your not in a static, a good chunk of the player base wont even attempt endgame until it has been nerfed and made farm-able.

Please SE, with Heavensward and Beyond, don't subject every single piece of endgame content you release to alleviated difficulty... And if it is truly necessary, like how some players just want to do Coil to experience the story, I hope the approach will be similar to the speculation of how the Alexander Raid will be. A Normal level for those who just want to do it for the story, and a Savage level for completionist that will reward better loot, because, lets face it, people won't do it unless it provides something a little more worthwhile.

[Arixtotle]

Personally I'm okay with them nerfing content if it is needed to progress the main story, such as with Steps of Faith. Non required content such as the Coils, EX Primals and CT should not be nerfed ever in my mind.

[DracotheDragon]

Personally I'm okay with them nerfing content if it is needed to progress the main story, such as with Steps of Faith. Non required content such as the Coils, EX Primals and CT should not be nerfed ever in my mind.

the thing is did it need a nerf a slight nerf to visap hp ok but look at the mechanics

The boss has a lot of HP answer - cannons
Lots of adds - cannons
Dps is to low- CANNONS (and dragon killers)

i went into a lot of SoF just to help people and once they wiped once and know what to do with the cannons and towers they won, it wasn't due to bad dps or being over whelmed by adds it was learning the mechanics and thats why i think a lot of people are annoyed with SE because a mechanic driven fight can now be ignored if you dps the boss hard enough :/

Nerfing old content is good (2-3 main patches old).
nerfing actual content before the next main patch is sad.

Lets not forget this is the 'FINAL BOSS' of FFXIV 2.x, and there is currently no content after him, so nerving him -now- seems fruitless. :c

What people fail to realize is that SE has logs from JP NA and EU for every trial, duty, dungeon and raid and nerf content according to what the numbers say.
If they overture an instance and the numbers say it's over tuned it will be nerfed regardless of how long it's been out.

this is true in most aspects but for the SoF i beleave they made it nerved for the smallest 'wont even try' groups so 'everyone' can get into heavenward,, they wouldn't of released the fight to begin with if they didn't think the masses would win.

[Arixtotle]

the thing is did it need a nerf a slight nerf to visap hp ok but look at the mechanics

The boss has a lot of HP answer - cannons
Lots of adds - cannons
Dps is to low- CANNONS (and dragon killers)

i went into a lot of SoF just to help people and once they wiped once and know what to do with the cannons and towers they won, it wasn't due to bad dps or being over whelmed by adds it was learning the mechanics and thats why i think a lot of people are annoyed with SE because a mechanic driven fight can now be ignored if you dps the boss hard enough :/

That was already the case. I completed SoF with a PF group with only using one DK and before the final snare. I also am of the belief that such a mechanic driven fight has no place in the main story line. Such fights should be optional content.

[T2teddy]

I also am of the belief that such a mechanic driven fight has no place in the main story line. Such fights should be optional content.

It HAD to be an MSQ!
No other action but helping kill the Dravanian Invasion Horde at the bridge was going to make the Holy See allow us to enter their realm.
It is the outcome of that battle which changes their minds.

[Hyrist]

It HAD to be an MSQ!
No other action but helping kill the Dravanian Invasion Horde at the bridge was going to make the Holy See allow us to enter their realm.
It is the outcome of that battle which changes their minds.

That didn't have to be MSQ. That could have been the start of Heavensward through a different writing method, and MSQ could have concluded without any ties to Corethas whatsoever.

[Canadane]

That was already the case. I completed SoF with a PF group with only using one DK and before the final snare. I also am of the belief that such a mechanic driven fight has no place in the main story line. Such fights should be optional content.

Not everything should be able to be completed by bashing your weapon against it over and over until you win. Sometimes you need to be able to hear, feel, and think. I'm pretty sure I've heard that advice somewhere before...

[Nezm]

Evidently, the way forward is to bring out content super easy so there is never a need to nerf anything.

The staggered nerfing/buffing system is proven way to run a MMO, more hardcore players get their day, and the casuals there own, everyone is happy. What difficulty someone else is clearing it at months later should really not be anyone's concern, why would anyone who completed it so long ago really care?

There is just over a month before FCOB is obsolete, many casuals will want to complete that story before going into heavenward. With the main point being on the story, why deny so many players the opportunity? Its not like the gear is worth anything anymore, it's all just the experience.

MMOs are for fun, the system is a balanced one which brings the most fun to the most people.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Personally I'm okay with them nerfing content if it is needed to progress the main story, such as with Steps of Faith. Non required content such as the Coils, EX Primals and CT should not be nerfed ever in my mind.

I just hope they don't make the other 6 elder dragons easy. Even if that means taking them out of the story. Elder dragon and easy don't belong in the same sentence.

[Arixtotle]

I just hope they don't make the other 6 elder dragons easy. Even if that means taking them out of the story. Elder dragon and easy don't belong in the same sentence.

I don't think Vishap is an elder dragon. Do you know of any sources that say he was?