Save the Armory system

[User201109011315]

Proof please.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ost#post203804

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ody#post248750

Can't be bothered to go looking for more

[User201109011315]

Why would I attack you if you were aware that you were wrong? Childish. You go awfully out of your way for a "prediction", not exactly a wise decision to try to rile people up over an "educated guess". You would be taken a lot more seriously if your arguments were based off hard facts and not simple predictions. You should really calm yourself and wait for what is to come before making another 20 threads under 20 personas, I think you have gotten your opinion out there.

For all you know, perhaps I am not "riling people up". Please refrain from "going out of your way to make predictions".

For all you know, I am very calm. Please stop predicting things without hard facts and evidence.

See how annoying that is?

This isn't me complaining, by the way, it's just me discussing. Perhaps you should weigh in on the discussion rather than just shooting it down just because you hate speculations.

[Velhart]

For all you know, perhaps I am not riling people up. Please refrain from "going out of your way to make predictions". For all you know, I am very calm. Please stop predicting things without hard facts and evidence.

See how annoying that is?

This isn't me complaining, by the way, it's just me discussing. Perhaps you should weigh in on the discussion rather than just shooting it down just because you hate speculations.

Calling people idiots because they don't think the way you do is not considered a calm way of expressing your opinions. Don't try to pretend you come into these conversations in a calm manner. If you are trying to use reverse tactics on me, you are doing a pretty poor job of it.

When you make several threads on the same topic, in the same forum none-the-less, it becomes complaining, and not for the purpose of discussion. Also, I am not in favor of copy and pasting what I have already said to you, you know well I have already discussed with you my look upon the Armory system.

You come in believing what is happening is fact, it is not, and you have a personal defect where if someone does not agree with how you think, they are considered ignorant and not on the same level of intelligence as you.

Let me ask, do you truly believe you are getting somewhere making several threads of the same topic under several personas? If you are actually getting somewhere, please show me where the Dev's have acknowledged your dislike for the system you have no idea works.

This time, try replying back to everything I said instead of picking parts out and not reading everything.

[User201109011315]

Calling people idiots because they don't think the way you do is not considered a calm way of expressing your opinions. Don't try to pretend you come into these conversations in a calm manner. If you are trying to use reverse tactics on me, you are doing a pretty poor job of it.

Hmm, indeed. Very profound.

When you make several threads on the same topic, in the same forum none-the-less, it becomes complaining, and not for the purpose of discussion. Also, I am not in favor of copy and pasting what I have already said to you, you know well I have already discussed with you my look upon the Armory system.

Yes, that definitely happened...

You come in believing what is happening is fact, it is not, and you have a personal defect where if someone does not agree with how you think, they are considered ignorant and not on the same level of intelligence as you.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some just aren't as marketable as others.

Let me ask, do you truly believe you are getting somewhere making several threads of the same topic under several personas? If you are actually getting somewhere, please show me where the Dev's have acknowledged your dislike for the system you have no idea works.

I have two armory threads, but they aren't in the same forum/language. And who is worse? The person getting nowhere? Or the person telling the person getting nowhere that they are getting nowhere? Think about that.

This time, try replying back to everything I said instead of picking parts out and not reading everything.

I would prefer to discuss the armory system, not myself.

[Velhart]

Hmm, indeed. Very profound.



Yes, that definitely happened...




Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some just aren't as marketable as others.



I have two armory threads, but they aren't in the same forum/language. And who is worse? The person getting nowhere? Or the person telling the person getting nowhere that they are getting nowhere? Think about that.



I would prefer to discuss the armory system, not myself.

Well at least you tried.

[Galka75]

Such a shame.

I think we are loosing the posibility of dev take this treath seriosly since the OP just dont stop to try to hold an eternal discussion about he know the future and trying to answer all arguments against him.

I really sorry. Becouse the first Post is interesting. And some ideas i read in this threat too. Just want to devs hear the main dea. Hey guys. Take care. In a way or another, we Want variety on the classes and jobs. I just think the class = job(advance class) is the longest way. Becouse to give the ability to do diferents things to a simple class they will have to desing 2or 3 diferents job xclusively for a simple class. Think in how many time will take this.

But is they open the posibility of cross job whit any class u want (whit certain limitation such a weapon or dmg type) the will only need to develope one job to create 6 differents pottential playstyles. Gladi-war Pug-war Lnc-war etc.

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[User201109011315]

Such a shame.

I think we are loosing tje pisibility if dev take this treath seriosly since the OP just dont stop to try to hold a eternal discussion about he know the future and tng to answeng all aguments against him.

I really sorry. Becouse the first Post is interesting. And some ideas i read too. Just want to the dev hear the main dea. Hey guys. Take care. In a way or another, we Want variety on the classes and job. I just think the class = job(advance class) is the longest way. Becouse to give the ability to do diferents things to simple class they will have to desing 2or 3 diferents job xclysively for a simple class. Think in hiw many time will take this.

But is the open the posibility of cross job whit anyclass u want (whit certain limitation such a weapon or dmg type) the i lyneed to deelope one job whit 6 differents pottential playstyles. Gladi-war Pug-war Lnc-war etc.

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This is what usually happens in my threads, unfortunately. I mean, really now, is it so hard to stay on topic, guys?

As for your typing, omg fail much!?

(By the way, i'm being ironic).

[Renshi]

I said mine, so my utility in this thread now is to give pop-corns and hot dogs for 4$ discount.

[Forerunner]

Anyway, those in support of the new Job System (that is to say, the system where jobs are locked to one class) are essentially supporting a one-job-one-weapon situation.

I don't know what games you've played in the past, but surely a Job such as a Thief should have access to multiple weapons? Locking Jobs in a one-to-one relationship with Weapon Classes has essentially locked each job to only one weapon!

good:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87...Untitled-1.png

bad:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87...ill/badjob.png

Two points to make here. Gonna give you the dessert first, since you'll cry less, but sooner or later, those veggies are gonna need to be eaten.

I agree with: Jobs should used as a defined role within party play.
Solo: Who cares, Set yourself up with Second Wind II, Cure/Sac3, Siphon MP, Siphon TP... etc, etc. (Kinda sounds like the clones bit in your 'Bad:' link, everyone using the same skills >_> yay for cross-classing.) Be that uber-Do-Everything-BAMF when you solo.

Party: Pick a job. Tank huh? okay, here's your DEF boosts, ya hey-look-at-me hate-grabbers, a little damage output. NEXT! Got a Healer Friend? K they get the heals. Oh, someone who wants to play non-healing support, k Buff-Bonanza. Oh. Here's the guy who wants to crush/shoot/stab the opposition, here ya go buddy, have some attack boosts/damage modifiers. Go nuts.

Everyone doing what they want, just like now, with the classes system but... they're going to get specialist abilities to help them out. Who needs MRDs {Intimidation} on GLA if you pick your job to be Paladin, and they give you {Intimidation II}? CONs has Cure 3, let's give White Mages Cure 4. Hey, that guy is trying to play a bit like an old school Thief. Have Blindside 3, Collusion 2, have fun dude. (FOR EXAMPLE, BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT.)

I also agree with: Jobs okay, we know they'll be unlocked via a one-to-one ratio with classes, hopefully this will change in the future, but, will we be able to use them on other classes? Sure, GLA -> PLD, but maybe I wanna use a Lance and Tank AT THE SAME TIME. Life Surge would help for this, why can't I? I'd like to be a DRK with a sword. Last Resort + Souleater Riot Blade? Hell yes, let's do it. DD GLA finally.

What I dont agree with: This feeling of you needing to be able to cross-class on a job. Why? It's sacrificing flexibility for increased ability. The transitioning between class and job should, and probably will be as seamless as swapping from any class to a different class. (Albeit, setting skills is a pain.) Once you get the job, nothing's forcing you to stay locked in as it.
Dungeon run: Hmm, we'll need you as your class to help kill everything in sight, boss coming up? You guys stay classes to be able to cross-class some stuff (stuns/additional heals, etc). We're gonna swtch to our jobs... (PLD for high DEF, WHM for better heals, you can see where I'm taking this, right?)

If you think everyone is going to be a clone when jobs come out, just look now. Nearly everyone can raging strike/ferocity/bloodbath their weaponskills, cure/sac/second wind for self-healing, and buff with protect/stoneskin/shock spikes. The only thing thats different is the weapons in their hands.

[SIZE="5"]TL;DR? I'm super-excited for jobs, I'm gonna wait to see what SE do with 'em before Q_Q'ing[/SIZE]

[yukikaze_yanagi]

I have two armory threads, but they aren't in the same forum/language. And who is worse? The person getting nowhere? Or the person telling the person getting nowhere that they are getting nowhere? Think about that.

This remind me.. do you remember the japanese guy come'd in this section, asking you to not flood the forum with your topics ? Because you cross-posted your topics in the japanese section too, and they were'nt too happy :|| now you just repeating that attitude, other than be a stick on the back.
You don't read the future, nor will be. Stop pretending you know everything, you just look dumb