Wolves' Den PvP Tournament - The Great Aether Cup

[Logos]

Every single online tourney I have seen has this kind of rules. It is completely normal. Also you seem to be demanding more than suggesting, implying your team won't participate if rules don't go as you want them to be, missing out the fact that this is for the community and not for honor and glory.
As I said, I am willing to step out so we can get this going. That means my team won't be able to freely swap since no other range dps.
Any more complains now?

Settle down. These are not complaints, they are legitimate concerns. I am certain there are more teams than mine who have a problem with those rules and likely will not participate because of them.

So in your opinion, the tournament is not for "honor and glory" or competitiveness at all? Only community?

The action you suggested may solve the issue, because your team is the only team I know of who would be affected by changing the rules to 4 player teams only, but your leaving on that note is not an optimum solution because it would leave people salty. Revising the rules is a better course of action, as it is a community effort and resolution, as opposed to you leaving against your team against your wishes to bring some kind of false peace.

[Holicccc]

i need a representative from each group in TS or Skype tonight at 8pm est, this will be discussed and fixed by tonight. As a community we need to come together and solve this.

[Blubbers]

i need a representative from each group in TS or Skype tonight at 8pm est, this will be discussed and fixed by tonight. As a community we need to come together and solve this.

My group's raiding tonight and it could potentially be a late night for us, although I could hop on for 20 mins at 8 (we're starting at around 8:30). I think my group is flexible and will defer to the group consensus if we haven't figured it out by then if that works for everyone. Thanks for stepping up and making this happen Holic, I appreciate it!

[Logos]

i need a representative from each group in TS or Skype tonight at 8pm est, this will be discussed and fixed by tonight. As a community we need to come together and solve this.

I'll be in TS an hour earlier than that, and I have Skype set up and ready to go. If you can hop in TS earlier and let me know how to connect to the group, that would be cool. Thanks man.

[CeveArthu]

If its an issue of competitiveness and the (standard, but i digress) ruleset allowing a perceived advantage

Why don't we just get rid of the prizes, because if we keep them all thats going to happen is 2 less people are going to get to play, which is pretty stupid if you ask me (mainly because im one of the people affected and i literally bring nothing to the teams roster that we didnt already have)

I'm well aware of the fact that a good number of players on aether dislike me and my team, but if people are going to fight tooth and nail for some of us to be pretty much kicked out of the tournament, then i'm sorry blubbers but i'm not prepared to pay for the extra prizes.

Let me know how the skype conversation goes, i won't be awake for it

[Holicccc]

Where do you get this notion that we dislike you? You are just jumping the gun there buddy and I will be the first to tell you that it is no way true at all. Just because people disagree doesn't mean there's bad blood.

[CeveArthu]

By no means do i mean everyone, ofc not

[Astrapls]

Logos,

Your suggestion would be fine as a means to keep the tournament running in the event someone has to leave. However...

Where we seem to have different perspectives is as to whether the tournament is more competitive, or if it is more geared toward community and inclusion.

If it is equally both, well then it should be equally competitive and equally inclusive. The way the rules are written now definitely lean more toward inclusive than competitive, for the reasons I have previously illustrated.

I feel your suggestion isn't very inclusive. What this means is, the 5th player is just sitting on the sidelines, waiting on the offchance someone has to leave so they can play. Or they choose to swap him in, but then the replaced player can't play anymore. Remember, this is a video game; a MMO, we should have an option to allow as many people as possible to play with their friends, while keeping the tournament competitive. I feel 6 man teams strikes this balance.

I do understand your concern, but I noticed Blubbers updated the OP with new rules regarding player swapping. It would definitely keep things competetive by allowing the losing team to try a new composition, and this would keep the winning team on their toes, forcing them to adapt. All while still being inclusive.

[Logos]

I do understand your concern, but I noticed Blubbers updated the OP with new rules regarding player swapping. It would definitely keep things competetive by allowing the losing team to try a new composition, and this would keep the winning team on their toes, forcing them to adapt. All while still being inclusive.

That is a good change Blubbers made, a pretty standard rule for tournaments. I still think it should only be freely swapping jobs and not jobs & players, though. When I see the word "tournament", I think more competitive than inclusive. If this were a more casual event without a bracket and prizes that cost money, or even one with a bracket that has randomized teams, then it would make much more sense to prioritize inclusion equally or more than competition (Holic came up with that idea in the Skype chat last night).

"Wolves Den PvP Tournament - The Great Aether Cup" sounds competitive to me, so rules geared toward competition over inclusion are warranted here, in my opinion. In fact, all the rules are pretty cut throat and competitive except for the ones that allow more than 4 players on a team and swapping players in between matches. From what people have said so far and in the chat I had with the creators of the tournament last night, it seems the majority of players interested in registering are in favor of changing it to 4 player teams with swapping only jobs, and the single reason for keeping it at 6 player teams is to be more inclusive.

Out of curiosity, are you planning to sign up for the tournament? I haven't seen you at the solo queue events (there is a thread about it in the PvP forums here). Hope to play with you soon!

[CeveArthu]

And in the event where one of the 4 people on a team has a connection or irl issue, then your version of the rules would mean the entire team is disqualified instead of allowing a teammate to cover the gap, while at the same time banning the benched players from participating at all

Alternates are permitted an overwhelming majority of tournament formats, the easily most notable for gaming would be EMS, ESL One, IEM, LCS, SWC and the invitational, all of which have a following over multiple millions of players