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    Quote Originally Posted by Kemiko View Post
    Sir, level sync is about low-level dungeons. Which is designed for leveling players, typically the newer player-base. So, yes this is the perfect time to go, "...but the NEW players...!" It was designed with them in mind. And plenty of content has been implemented for the current subscribers. I mean, I don't see any new LV15-49 dungeons or trials. Do you? Everything implemented has been LV50. Dungeons, Raids, Trials and even MSQ. Even PVP (which since Wolves Den initial release has only been LV50). Frankly, none of that has been targeting the fresh new subscribers, it's been catering to those already there and at the heart of the game (as I like to call it. See my wall of text about pre-50 being tutorial land).
    I don't think anyone here has suggested that new players are brain dead. Just that the power gap is, and will become more, obvious.
    And the assumption everyone's making here is that every new player is a complete moron who has no idea how to press buttons. Keeping hate in low level dungeons is a joke, you can spam flash or overpower, take your pick. If a new player can't manage to keep hate then they will eventually LEARN how to gain hate by experimenting until they find out how. This is how a MMO should be designed. There isn't any struggle from 1-50 for people to learn how to play their job the right way, and something like this would be a fantastic step in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teuciont View Post
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    WRONG!! They CANNOT spam Overpower or Flash and not a single person has mentioned anything about new players being braindead at all YOU are the only one jumping in with that sort of accusation.

    And the reason they cannot spam Flash or Overpower is because they only have a limited resource to use them Skill's at a low level you having access to your abilities would not help them at all.

    The level 50's asking for "their" skills to be available to "them" at a low level so "they" can get the instance done and dusted out of the way for "their" tomes is just being purely selfish imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    WRONG!! They CANNOT spam Overpower or Flash and not a single person has mentioned anything about new players being braindead at all YOU are the only one jumping in with that sort of accusation.

    And the reason they cannot spam Flash or Overpower is because they only have a limited resource to use them Skill's at a low level you having access to your abilities would not help them at all.

    The level 50's asking for "their" skills to be available to "them" at a low level so "they" can get the instance done and dusted out of the way for "their" tomes is just being purely selfish imo.
    If, with a full TP/MP bar, a WAR/PLD cannot hold hate by spamming Overpower/Flash and using comboes afterwards, then I would completely concede my point. I would also find it hard to believe that if monsters were marked properly that a tank could not hold hate with their basic 1/2, 1/2/3 combo after initial AoE. Maybe I'm wrong, but maybe there's a case to, if I am wrong, to give PLD and WAR the final parts of their hate comboes at 15 instead. This would not only make playing those jobs more entertaining at a lower level, because let's face it, the dullness of jobs at low levels is surely an unarguable fact, but also fix the aforementioned problem, if it even exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teuciont View Post
    If, with a full TP/MP bar, a WAR/PLD cannot hold hate by spamming Overpower/Flash and using comboes afterwards, then I would completely concede my point. I would also find it hard to believe that if monsters were marked properly that a tank could not hold hate with their basic 1/2, 1/2/3 combo after initial AoE. Maybe I'm wrong, but maybe there's a case to, if I am wrong, to give PLD and WAR the final parts of their hate comboes at 15 instead. This would not only make playing those jobs more entertaining at a lower level, because let's face it, the dullness of jobs at low levels is surely an unarguable fact, but also fix the aforementioned problem, if it even exists.
    But since when have you noticed lvl 50 DPS have patience and even let a low level tank pull let alone regenerate his resources, TP is actually very horrible to regenerate at a low level as a warrior, but even as a paladin being able to the enemies first and then flashing takes considerable time that most people are unwilling to wait on ending up in a clusterf*** pull pretty much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    Uh yes you can. What are you smoking? In fact I did it for my pld books a couple days ago. Hell it seems much easier now than when at launch. I didn't have to do any combo tabbing. Just combo spam on one target and flash every other (didnt have marks on my bar, didnt need them anymore at lvl 50). Hell, I got two melee dps splitting targets and all I did was spam flash and just get enough for the next pulls and a lot of them were <<z>> players. Back then I had to work much harder and actually keep checking my enmity position on every enemy, combo tabbing but oh wait, there's the shield oath buff, the flash buff and i think there's one more general enmity buff from the previous patches? There's really no reason to have any trouble keeping enmity in lvl 49 dungeons and below, unless your party is actively working against you somehow.
    Are you kidding me, 1 you do NOT get Shield Oath til your 40's we are talking much lower levels aswell and Flash can easily be out agroe'd by over zealous DPS I have Tanked as a PLD since 1.0 and only started levelling WAR in 2.0 I KNOW how to Tank and I KNOW my skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    WRONG!! They CANNOT spam Overpower or Flash and not a single person has mentioned anything about new players being braindead at all YOU are the only one jumping in with that sort of accusation.

    And the reason they cannot spam Flash or Overpower is because they only have a limited resource to use them Skill's at a low level you having access to your abilities would not help them at all.

    The level 50's asking for "their" skills to be available to "them" at a low level so "they" can get the instance done and dusted out of the way for "their" tomes is just being purely selfish imo.
    Uh yes you can. What are you smoking? In fact I did it for my pld books a couple days ago. Hell it seems much easier now than when at launch. I didn't have to do any combo tabbing. Just combo spam on one target and flash every other (didnt have marks on my bar, didnt need them anymore at lvl 50). Hell, I got two melee dps splitting targets and all I did was spam flash and just get enough for the next pulls and a lot of them were <<z>> players. Back then I had to work much harder and actually keep checking my enmity position on every enemy, combo tabbing but oh wait, there's the shield oath buff, the flash buff and i think there's one more general enmity buff from the previous patches? There's really no reason to have any trouble keeping enmity in lvl 49 dungeons and below, unless your party is actively working against you somehow.
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