Too much, now too little. AutoAttack

[Konachibi]

There is the possibility that the implimentation of auto-attack may have been something to do with the upcoming job classes and their mechanics, it may seem boring now but once jobs are out it could be entirely different, and SE wouldn't want to change the battle system like, at the same time as adding jobs as it'd add way too much confusion, so better to change it early and let people become accustomed to it before adding the spangly extras.

That's just speculation though.

[Dakin]

Zant, That's a great idea. I like the look of that meter.

Look =/= functionality. They scrapped it for a reason.

[Andrien]

@ OP

If you want to control damage output and enmity, you simply don't use TP abilities.. or just turn around

[NaniNaniX]

Gives us a strategic Limit Break, and I'll be happy.

[ZachCero]

Gives us a strategic Limit Break, and I'll be happy.

Wow Limit break on a mmo, Sounds very intriguing..

[ZachCero]

you say this because you main glad, and archer, archer is mostly ignoring AA, and glad is the one who gets the most benefit. Glad isnt concerned with dps, or controlling their attacks, so it makes sense that you like the system, your entertainment comes around non tp skill use, you dont need to pay attention to AA or half your tp moves, its better for you if its on autopilot so you can tank. This is not the case for melee, its boring and has no depth. Imagine playing your glad, then taking away all most of your skills, and some one told you not to attack, thats how every melee class plays right now.

Glad also gets to do a lot more actions, because they were stamina heavy, so yeah for glad, its fine, for DD its pretty boring. They need to add something and differentiate the DD by playstyle, and not just by who uses what skills (who cares if i use victimize or chaos thrust or doomspike or whatever if they all basically just do dmg) that basically all play the same. Before the basic attacks kind of defined the classes, but now, they are on such a long timer they are basically just side attacks.

Bad battle system, imo

Archer doesn't need AA, MRD's AA is just fine even with a 4.2 delay, Lancer is still good with AA(Speed Surge), and every single other job I play is just fine. I think you seriously need to adjust your play style.

Honestly, you are knocking a system that isnt even finished yet, you done trolling?

[Galliano]

I got one more thing to say.

SE's promise with the implementation of auto-attack was faster, strategy-based combat with a more logical flow. This has not happened, mostly due to ridiculous cooldown timers on basic abilities. The one thing that did make combat interesting, battle regimen, is being removed with no word on what will go in its place.

That's what's wrong with combat, not auto-attack, but rather what is meant to go on top of it.

I'm pretty sure they are keeping battle regimen, they are just removing it to make alterations then reimplimenting it again. That was a concern of mine as well.

[Kopuno]

ya know, some people do prefer to voice chat to typing. the people that do voice had no need for the slowing down of the system to a snails pace. you talk about others not caring to chat when you use the same elitest attitude that gives the square forum community a bad name"if you don't like it leave". the majority of people already have.

Kopuno: (On Ventrillo) Hey guys, are your fingers cramping from hitting 1111111 too?


i bet you also want chain bonuses added and plan on using that. you only didn't like leve bonuses because you wanted to go pull 4543985435435 raptors in a row with that super boring camp and pull junk.

Kopuno: You're right, I do. I prefer tactics to prefering zerg fest. I did not like Leve bonuses due to people abusing broken mechanics. (Nay sayer) THEY WERE NOT BROKE!! THEY WERE PERFECT!! (SE) We've fixed the broken mechanics, thank you for your patience



and believe it or not alot have left due do this new system. my server population is continuing to decline.

Kopuno: Maybe so, on your server. Its hard to exactly say how much of a decline or boost it really is. On my server I have noticed more people logging on. touche~

My thoughts: I am not against an added way to make combat faster (I prefer longer fights with more action and higher SP.) or more action oriented, nor do I care what SE does really at this point as I like some changes and don't care for others. It does not effect my opinion of the game at. They already have easy zerg tactics in XI, so they don't need it here. I quit XI due to Astral Burns and Abyssea.

I personally love Auto-Attack, so much that If it and fixed leve mechanics weren't added I wouldn't be playing. I have a few friends that are with me on that boat. Theres plenty of games where your a god and can kill through mobs like nothing. I always loved the feeling that at any moment your invisible might wear off and that Goblin is looking right at you.

[Physic]

Archer doesn't need AA, MRD's AA is just fine even with a 4.2 delay, Lancer is still good with AA(Speed Surge), and every single other job I play is just fine. I think you seriously need to adjust your play style.

Honestly, you are knocking a system that isnt even finished yet, you done trolling?

just fine is not good, just fine is not fun. just fine will not compete with other games. All the melee playing like gimpede versions of lnc is stupid. A 4.2 second delay compared to people who are a second faster is stupid, its like they didnt even look at the problems they created, and then had to solve in ffxi when they decided to jack the system.

as far as it not being complete, im actually talking about what is there now, and what they proposed to change. Trolling is not disagreeing with someone or discussing the topic of a thread.

By you saying to wait till its complete, it sounds like you think that when its complete it will solve the problems, that means you think it has problems, what have the developers said that addresses whatever problems you think the system has? Do you think the things they have presented will solve the problems in the best way? what do you propose that might help further those solutions?

Answer that and you have constructive critiscm, and maybe, if they feel like looking at it you have something valuable to the developers. Its a forum, look up what the word means, and the goal of it is, before you think that talking is trolling. Very little is acheived by blind faith, its cool you like the battle, but i dont, and im going to tell them why, and hope they make something better that can hold peoples attention, because thats what a game should do.

[Akusushi]

In all honesty, I just went from spamming 1(2,3) to spamming skills.

That aside though, basic attacks (including ones bought with marks) should just have their recast timers taken away. That way, if you don't want to spam, you can just let auto-attack go all you want, and I'll just be over there <- spamming my attacks and enjoying the battle system like I used to.