Am I the only one that sort of kinda likes the nerf to SoF?

[OranKells]

I can barely tell what nektulos is even talking about but please make it stop.

It's an unreasonable goal, because newbies can only have their steps of faith virginity popped once. Constantly finding new people to achieve this is unrealistic.

Darn I fed troll. lets see how this goes

[Sapphic]

The problem with the Trial was that youre asking a random group of people over the internet to cooperate.

That's on them, not the game. I did SoF first week in DF, qued solo as tank, no one knew what to do, we wiped once learning the mechanics and we killed on the second try. Players can cooperate if they want to, problem is too many go in as solo heros and fail. Then blame everyone else. "I can do it, it's the other 7 that always mess up".

I'm not keen on the nerf for the simple reason if players can cry nerf on anything they have to put any effort into then they will never learn. Just like spoilt children get everything given and then continue through life expecting the same from everyone.

[Yumi_umi]

Ppl r getting "helping" and "carried" mixed in together.
They are 2 different things.

Helping = helping ppl learn the fight -> allows them to understand the fight thus making them capable of helping others = more ppl know fight = less bad players

Carrying = ur dead a lot/ dunno what to do and rather do their own stuff than take criticism and improve = bad player = dunno fight despite u clearing it = not being able to prove tht ur clear worthy if u were to re do that instance.

[Neuflune]

I'm fine with the nerf on SoF simply because it is main story content, and the item level requirement for it is very low compared to how strong the enemies originally were. While the community is really strong now in terms of item level (average of 120 maybe?), the fact that they implied that it could be completed by a team of IL90 people is something to consider. Would a boss with that amount of HP really be defeated by eight IL90s? Imagine IL90 tanks getting whacked by those adds and that underfoot attack; it's not their fault that they got in and had to face a big-azz boss... the duty let them in.

That said, the lack of cooperation reminds me of a "lone wolf" assassin player that I met in another MMO. He was so pissed off that he couldn't complete duties "by himself" and that he actually had to "go in with a group of people". I wonder what he thought "MMORPG" meant xD

[Ultimatecalibur]

I'm fine with the nerf on SoF simply because it is main story content, and the item level requirement for it is very low compared to how strong the enemies originally were. While the community is really strong now in terms of item level (average of 120 maybe?), the fact that they implied that it could be completed by a team of IL90 people is something to consider. Would a boss with that amount of HP really be defeated by eight IL90s? Imagine IL90 tanks getting whacked by those adds and that underfoot attack; it's not their fault that they got in and had to face a big-azz boss... the duty let them in.

Yes, a group of i90s/i100s should be able to clear the fight if they follow the intended strategy, but no one does the intended strategy.

The intended strategy is:

1. All 4 DpS each man a cannon at the start of each stage.
2. Tanks pull adds between closest cannon set.
3. Healers heal.
4. DpS on Front cannons use cannons to attack Vishap. DpS on Rear cannons use Cannons to kill adds and Miniboss.
5. When Front cannons are targeted by Vishaps AoE, DpS on them disengage for them and help finish of the adds/Miniboss.
6. Tanks grab new adds and tanks them under Vishap
7. Rear Cannon DpS pound Vishap, adds and if (necessary) Miniboss.
8. During Stages 2, 3 and 4 a healer runs up Tower.
9. During Stages 3 and 4 Front DpS run to Snares and use them to stun/fetter Vishap.
10. Front cannon DpS start directly DpSing Vishap.
11. During Stages 2, 3 and 4 healer uses Dragonkiller when Vishap is in range and (if stage 3 and 4) snared.
12. When Rear cannons targeted by cone AoE everyone starts directly DpSing Vishap until barrier falls.
13. Repeat from Step 1 until victory or defeat.

[Tuathaa]

Yes, a group of i90s/i100s should be able to clear the fight if they follow the intended strategy

Correct but pre nerf, 1 missed dk or a tank not picking up adds fast enough were causing wipes. Hence the nerf.

[LalaRu]

Totally agree with the nerf.
I only can think the issue with SoF were so serious that SE done heavy nerfs on purpose, expansion if just a few weeks away and too much people stuck there.

Expansion is intended for everyone, not only the pros.

[Nestama]

Totally agree with the nerf.
I only can think the issue with SoF were so serious that SE done heavy nerfs on purpose, expansion if just a few weeks away and too much people stuck there.

Expansion is intended for everyone, not only the pros.

Still a month away, so the nerf could have happened on or just before expansion day. Also, communication and coordination was all it required (Chrysalis is pretty much the hardest story Trial now, as it has two mechanics). Vet players just needed to not leave the instance if they got it as a roulette and the exceptionally bad players holding casual players back needed to stop making everyone else do the work and start being a part of the team for once.

[Viridiana]

Still a month away, so the nerf could have happened on or just before expansion day. Also, communication and coordination was all it required (Chrysalis is pretty much the hardest story Trial now, as it has two mechanics). Vet players just needed to not leave the instance if they got it as a roulette and the exceptionally bad players holding casual players back needed to stop making everyone else do the work and start being a part of the team for once.

Eh, if you're gonna nerf you might as well do it a few weeks prior just to make sure people have a reasonable chance to do it before it absolutely matters. I mean, I don't like that it was nerfed, but if it was gonna happen I'd say the end of May is the latest I'd pick to do it.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Personally? I now have a legitimate reason to quit this trial when I get it in roulette now. It's boring as pi## now.