Patch Notes are up!

[Krylo]

"Hey I'm impatient! Nerf the fight so I can get through!" - said low skilled player.

That's not what any players have said though. Or at least very few of the ones trying to progress: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Steps-of-Faith The problem is, has, and will continue to be people leaving immediately. The main things people asked for was not a nerf, but a way to reset to save time. The second most was rewards. Third most was to stop the turtle as he's annoying. But that's a distant third.

[Spiritreaver1217]

..Snip...

You know SE had a mindset like you wanted during the mid-aughts. And you know what it achieved? It polarizing effect on their playerbase(talking FFXI btw) and a limiting of said playerbase to a fraction of what it could have been had they gone with a game design philosophy that was inclusive of more types of players instead of a small single subset of players.

SE is a business and they have, after all this time, have started to learn their lesson. Using totally pulled out of my butt percentages, 3 out of 4 happy-ish players is better for business than 1 out of 4 happy-ish players. Outside of that, i really doubt they give a fig about the skill level of their customers. And to be totally honest, i'd be hard-pressed to believe that even 1/4 players is even a close guess; imo its probably much less.

[Natashio]

To the people complaining about 'Carebears' and 'Casuals' and 'Poor players making SoF easy'.

Stop.

They weren't the problem.

The problem was the people who cleared day 1 and abandoned.

Which is to say the problem is that SoF has no rewards for the time commitment and was mixed in with trials that take 1/4th the time, and were so over geared that wiping never happens.

Other than this MMO, FFXI has been the only other MMO that I've stayed with over year (7 years played). I have help countless others beat missions, Main story bosses, Divine Might, CoP pre-nerf, BCNMs, and many instance and non-instance fights after my win and received my reward. Why, because I made a commitment with those players shouting in Jeuno looking for help. Why, because the fights were fun... Why...because I'm helping someone on my server.

I bet if they get rid of Duty Finder this instant abandoning bullshit will stop. Of course, SE will have to shut the game down and rebuild it all over again to remove all the damn instances and only put the final boss fights as an instance. Which I know will never happen.
As I said many times already...you guys wanted your WoW 2.0...there you have it. If you don't want to deal with the abandoning on the first wipe bullshiting trolls, I can only suggest to you is move to the Japanese servers.

[Nestama]

it needed a way to reset on full wipe like you all mention.

It also needed to drop loot and give the NPC who tells everyone what to do a voice (it still bothers me that the Primals and most Trials have speech bubbles, but no voice actors. Westwind, CM and Battle on the Big Bridge had voice acting).

[CGMidlander]

Woo, my Titan pony is going to be rocking a new song! (Pun intended)

[AdamFyi]

That's not what any players have said though.

Read the quote I was replying to. Without any context as to what I said, you're creating an argument from nothing. Hint: I was addressing players who "Rage Quit".

[KarstenS]

The problem was the people who cleared day 1 and abandoned.

And this opinion is the reason so many people are raging against the raiding community.

They don't want to make their own way. They want a carry.

[Spiritreaver1217]

Ah, you're one of those guys.

Sure am, finished SoF week one in DF and have zero problem with other having an easier time than i had.

You are 100% right there my friend!

[Magistrella]

But, I mean, REALLY you aren't the problem. SE is. SoF wasn't too hard, it just doesn't give rewards. If you want to do anything with your game time then you would never do SoF more than once. THAT'S the problem. THAT'S what they need to fix. Nerfing the fight into the ground won't help anything, unless they nerf it so hard you can face roll DPS Vishap down in under five minutes.

Im guilty of all your charges except the not doing trial. I still do it, i just do all the others to prevent having to deal with steps of fails.

And i will continue to do so. One (most likely) fail in there, hell, even a not fail taking 10-15 minutes, is taking two or three times as much as every other trial fight. I'll gladly take the 30 minutes and do other daily chores before reentering and getting something else. My time is spent much better when i don't deal with it. And that's where the problem ultimately lies. Add a mount to it, add a trial card, make it drop 200 soldier for new people or 10k gil if you got a newbie with you. Hell, the 10k (+4.5k roulette bonus) would make me stay if i got more then two-three hours on a workday to play. But as it is now, i don't even want to deal it on my free days where i can basically sit the whole day in front of the game, and not even then i want to add just any of my time in there.

Oh and all the people talking about "The fight is all about communication." Try clearing it when you get 7 freaking french/german people that speak no word English even tho you only hooked E on the Duty Finder that dont say a single word before pulling (not even hello in auto translate or whatsoever). Good luck making it about "communication" - there is no way in hell you will make it through if you can not explain the fight

[Krylo]

Read the quote I was replying to. Without any context as to what I said, you're creating an argument from nothing. Hint: I was addressing players who "Rage Quit".

Granted: But in the greater context of this thread people keep trying to blame 'casuals' for this nerf (like it even matters), but if you read any pre-nerf discussion about SoF with mostly people who haven't cleared: No one wanted a nerf. They just wanted players to not abandon immediately.

And this opinion is the reason so many people are raging against the raiding community.

They don't want to make their own way. They want a carry.

Can't even attempt to make your own way when 4/8 people immediately leave because they wanted 2-5 minute trial and got 15-80 minute trial with no rewards to speak of. Unfortunately, Vishap can't be 4 manned by the 3 DPS and 1 healer left over.

Im guilty of all your charges except the not doing trial. I still do it, i just do all the others to prevent having to deal with steps of fails.

And i will continue to do so. One (most likely) fail in there, hell, even a not fail taking 10-15 minutes, is taking two or three times as much as every other trial fight. I'll gladly take the 30 minutes and do other daily chores before reentering and getting something else. My time is spent much better when i don't deal with it. And that's where the problem ultimately lies. Add a mount to it, add a trial card, make it drop 200 soldier for new people or 10k gil if you got a newbie with you. Hell, the 10k (+4.5k roulette bonus) would make me stay if i got more then two-three hours on a workday to play. But as it is now, i don't even want to deal it on my free days where i can basically sit the whole day in front of the game, and not even then i want to add just any of my time in there.

Thank you. This is what I'm trying to get across. There's a good reason people do those things. That's what SE needs to fix. Are you going to go in there now and do 15 minutes for nothing? Especially with 1 wipe still being possible if not likely with enough new people learning mechanics (missing DKs, missing with canons, etc.) I think most people probably won't regardless of nerfs.