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[RyuDragnier]

It all started with Demon Wall and the bees (gnats)...

I remember those days, where a bad DPS could prevent completion of AK, with decent barely getting you past him and good on up making him easy. Back when skill mattered greatly, back when players actually learned how to play the game instead of QQ for nerfs about everything.

[Nep_Nep]

I remember those days, where a bad DPS could prevent completion of AK, with decent barely getting you past him and good on up making him easy. Back when skill mattered greatly, back when players actually learned how to play the game instead of QQ for nerfs about everything.

Them days of Darklight armor and when Titan Hard mode scared the hell out of folks. xD I'll never forget the atmosphere of stepping in there the first time for my relic. xD
ah the memories.

[RyuDragnier]

Them days of Darklight armor and when Titan Hard mode scared the hell out of folks. xD I'll never forget the atmosphere of stepping in there the first time for my relic. xD
ah the memories.

Titan HM destroyed me back then due to not having a hardwired internet. I actually miss those days, people were good then and went out of their way to help other players. Now though...you see that far less.

[Garlyle]

All I can think of with the Steps nerf is that it's amusing watching people fight over it like this is a new part of the pattern. Amdapor Keep, Pharos Sirius, Coil in trials/raids, etc.; old content is simplified because experienced players become less and less likely to be running it and those that will need to run it in the future will be a smaller and smaller segment of the population. It's especially noticeable with story progression content; Heavensward is literally going to require people to clear Steps of Faith and already most DF groups don't want to be arsed to even try, and its design basically ensures that gear/levels in the future won't change that.

For those complaining about not having medium-tier difficulty content, that's what challenge mode in the duty finder in Heavensward is going to be for.

to be honest for steps I kinda expected something like echo so we could all remove it if we wanted and still get the fight as it was. little dissapointed

Honestly I think echo would do almost nothing for Steps. So much of the damage required to clear that fight comes from the interactables and ensuring those interactables are damaging the boss + adds as often as possible.

[Twilite]

All I can think of with the Steps nerf is that it's amusing watching people fight over it like this is a new part of the pattern. Amdapor Keep, Pharos Sirius, Coil in trials/raids, etc.; old content is simplified because experienced players become less and less likely to be running it and those that will need to run it in the future will be a smaller and smaller segment of the population. It's especially noticeable with story progression content; Heavensward is literally going to require people to clear Steps of Faith and already most DF groups don't want to be arsed to even try, and its design basically ensures that gear/levels in the future won't change that.

For those complaining about not having medium-tier difficulty content, that's what challenge mode in the duty finder in Heavensward is going to be for.

This right here..

Ryu - Chrysler Building itself was easy.. I guess you mean the boss fight at the very end, which was a nightmare.

[RyuDragnier]

Ryu - Chrysler Building itself was easy.. I guess you mean the boss fight at the very end, which was a nightmare.

Oh, I definitely meant that boss. Siren reminds me of that boss in several ways.

[ChaoticDarkGriever]

I remember those days, where a bad DPS could prevent completion of AK, with decent barely getting you past him and good on up making him easy. Back when skill mattered greatly, back when players actually learned how to play the game instead of QQ for nerfs about everything.

Don't forget about Pharos Sirius. That was a hoot.

[RyuDragnier]

Don't forget about Pharos Sirius. That was a hoot.

I was happy the few times I beat it before the nerf. Had another DPS and a tank who knew what they were doing (I was with my WHM friend), and we got through the place with little to no problems simply because we worked together and had decent to great skill with our classes. I miss that Pharos Sirius, it gave us a challenge we desperately needed...a shame the loot was crap then though. Plus it feels like the Chrysler Building from Parasite Eve, which gave it a nice boost to my liking.

[SpookyGhost]

I remember those days, where a bad DPS could prevent completion of AK, with decent barely getting you past him and good on up making him easy. Back when skill mattered greatly, back when players actually learned how to play the game instead of QQ for nerfs about everything.

You could literally zerg the wall down 99% of the time. Caster LB made the bees a joke. Demon Wall was never difficult. kbye

[Yshnal]

You could literally zerg the wall down 99% of the time. Caster LB made the bees a joke. Demon Wall was never difficult. kbye

During 2.0 before everyone was overgeared? I seriously doubt that you zerged it without a good premade. After that? Yes, it was possible, and it was fun to do it as a revenge on the damn wall haha. But I doubt that the post that you quoted was talking about it when everyone and their mother was i70+. It's not that it was super hard either, but was nerfed anyway, and that was the point. Like Pharos, like SoF now, and like everything.

And it doesn't matter if there's a loot reward or not. Some people play the game because they enjoy it, because they get fun out of playing something that doesn't make you fall asleep, and not because of "ph4t l00tz" that will be obsolete in a couple of months. Fun that they don't get if everything is a cakewalk, if the few fun things get unilaterally nerfed because some people can't stand that some content requires a little bit of their precious time. They are not even asking for everything to be like Coil pre-nerf, but to have something that required you to stay awake, like pre-nerf Demon Wall, Pharos Sirius, etc.

What they're accomplishing with these nerfs is that people will keep expecting to faceroll everything in 2 minutes. And that's what's sad about this. Because SoF wasn't hard, and I doubt that no one would have had a problem with it if it was released back in 2.0. But nowadays everyone is in a hurry, expecting speedruns, ignoring most fight mechanics and bruteforcing them, looking up everyone's dps (even tank's) for the most easier content, having little to no patience with new players, etc. That's the direction where you want to keep going?