Patch Notes are up!

[DragonSlayer45]

Adjustments to old content really don't invalidate achievements imo. Or at least they really shouldn't.

No, it doesn't. Hey, if you beat T9 pre or post Echo, its still an accomplishment. No one is disputing that. However, that's not the point here. Its that Steps itself wasn't a hard fight by any stretch of the imagination, and it was more on the community making it hard. All of Steps problems would have vanished if people were patient, took an effort to teach new players the fight as opposed to "Steps!? /ragequit"

And I'm not saying there are players out there that aren't bad, but if they don't make an effort to better themselves now, they are in for a rude awakening somewhere down the line when we get another scenario like Steps.

[Canadane]

Wait, Nightmare pony didn't have his own music? Poor pony

Technically, all the primal horses are a Nightmare mount, which has just been tempered by the primal.
So you get a full array of Nightmare sounds plus the OG music to lul yourself with at any time!

[Eul]

Technically, all the primal horses are a Nightmare mount, which has just been tempered by the primal.
So you get a full array of Nightmare sounds plus the OG music to lul yourself with at any time!

Sounds like remix will happen soon lol

[RyuDragnier]

Don't forget about Pharos Sirius. That was a hoot.

I was happy the few times I beat it before the nerf. Had another DPS and a tank who knew what they were doing (I was with my WHM friend), and we got through the place with little to no problems simply because we worked together and had decent to great skill with our classes. I miss that Pharos Sirius, it gave us a challenge we desperately needed...a shame the loot was crap then though. Plus it feels like the Chrysler Building from Parasite Eve, which gave it a nice boost to my liking.

[Twilite]

All I can think of with the Steps nerf is that it's amusing watching people fight over it like this is a new part of the pattern. Amdapor Keep, Pharos Sirius, Coil in trials/raids, etc.; old content is simplified because experienced players become less and less likely to be running it and those that will need to run it in the future will be a smaller and smaller segment of the population. It's especially noticeable with story progression content; Heavensward is literally going to require people to clear Steps of Faith and already most DF groups don't want to be arsed to even try, and its design basically ensures that gear/levels in the future won't change that.

For those complaining about not having medium-tier difficulty content, that's what challenge mode in the duty finder in Heavensward is going to be for.

This right here..

Ryu - Chrysler Building itself was easy.. I guess you mean the boss fight at the very end, which was a nightmare.

[Wildsprite]

Exactly. I fail to see how Alexander is going to be any more challenging than any rendition of Coil at this point. Please prove me wrong SE! (I bet you won't).

I highly doubt Alexander normal will be more difficult because they made it sound like normal would be on par with the Crystal Tower raids(though I may have misunderstood). so I suspect you will have to wait and see how hard mode is.

[Krylo]

Prediction: Nerfs to SoF will have minimal/no effect on QQ.

Steps of Faith wasn't hard. The problem wasn't/isn't people not wanting to play differently. I've never been in there where people stuck around after a wipe and not seen improvement. Sure, sometimes it's not enough to clear before timer--but most groups get it in 2 or 3 tries pre-nerf.

Difficulty wasn't the issue.

The issue is steps takes, what? 15-20 minutes, if you clear it in one go (which you never get a full group of vets so it almost always takes 2-3 goes, so about a half hour to an hour)? And has no rewards. And it's on a roulette with things that take less than 5, that people queue into for something quick to do, all of which have pretty good rewards for the (minimal) time investment required (tomes, cards, good light per minute, etc. etc.)

Which causes every SoF run to go: Queue in -> "Oh fuck this" -> Half of the group leaves, and makes it very hard to get a PF going for, because, well, who wants to spend 20 to 80 minutes doing something that will net you zero rewards?

Fixing SoF requires no nerfs. What it requires is to have it drop poetics/soldiery and/or some gear, and move it over to Main Scenario Roulette. As long as it's a 20 minute slog with no rewards mixed in with < 5 minute trials people are still going to go 'Oh fuck this' and abandon.

[Canadane]

Sounds like remix will happen soon lol

That would be pretty awesome!

[Sanne]

Why I also dislike the Steps of Faith nerf, I can understand it from SE point of view.

My first character I got it on first day, with 1st DF group (and 3 friends) at 3th try.

With my second character I done it many many times, but 9 out of 10 times people leave the instance before even trying.
And the groups who did try, usually quit after 1 wipe. Some groups really had potential to win, but just given up too soon.

My friends and I wanted to clear it yesterday with a premade group, but things came up and we couldn' t do it.

My friend not gonna like it, he didn' t cleared it yet, but really wanted to clear it on the difficulty it had.
Wish you had the option to do it with the old difficulty.

Still the most difficult thing at SoF was to get a full group, willing to try it :/

I don' t care about ponies, already have it difficult enought to decide between my legacy chocobo, Magi (for awesome music), and the 2 seater (friend) mount.

[RyuDragnier]

Ryu - Chrysler Building itself was easy.. I guess you mean the boss fight at the very end, which was a nightmare.

Oh, I definitely meant that boss. Siren reminds me of that boss in several ways.