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  1. #1
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Direct 2nd party (i.e. from SE US staff) info trumps a 4th party (reader) translation of a 3rd party (online magazine) interview.
    The line in question is simple enough you could learn the words and translate them yourself within the hour, or just let google do it (primal horse mount also fly). So I'd not argue the 4th party just out of simplicity. But sure, 2nd party info is better to quote and I'd love to use that first. Although the 2nd party quote does not disrupt the third party information, as it does not preclude the extra information in the third party source.

    Perhaps not exactly being trumped (no incompatibility), it could still be made up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    Ok, well it would fit the norse mythology that Sleipnir can fly. Still misses 4 legs though (Sleipnir has 8 in the mythology).
    Maybe he gets 4 more legs to kick the air even harder? XD. It would definitely fit the mythology (being able to fly, and getting the rest of his legs lol)!
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    Last edited by Shougun; 05-12-2015 at 04:33 PM.

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    Natashi Tamaruo
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    Mateus
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    Archer Lv 63
    Anyone care for some french fries...
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    Jamein Lowel
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    In this patch we bring you brand new FFXIV tactics and strategies!

    Enter instance
    Place face on keyboard
    roll face across keyboard
    Get loot

    In all seriousness, people were screaming for SoF to be nerfed about 5 hours after it was released. So I am amazed it took this long to nerf it.
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    Liberta Wilder
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    i don't see how reduced HP means an easier time.. faster yes, but easier?... uhhh
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    Khaela Alteri
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    To the people complaining about 'Carebears' and 'Casuals' and 'Poor players making SoF easy'.

    Stop.

    They weren't the problem.

    The problem was the people who cleared day 1 and abandoned.

    Which is to say the problem is that SoF has no rewards for the time commitment and was mixed in with trials that take 1/4th the time, and were so over geared that wiping never happens.

    This nerf will do little, if anything, to help people clear SoF, because the people who already cleared it still won't get anything for doing it, even if it only takes them 15 minutes and 0 wipes, instead of 60 minutes and 3 wipes. It's still a more 'efficient' use of time to leave, and spend your 30 minute lock out leveling another class/crafting/doing literally anything else.

    Everyone else: Stop pretending it is/was too hard for you to complete when you never even got to run it twice within an hour time period to learn it. I've never left an SoF group (except once last night after 4 other people already left, and with apologies to the other guys--but I really didn't have a half hour to wait for it to fill at 6am), and have never seen a group not improve with every attempt--except my first one on day 3 of patch, when the tank (who blamed everyone else, and had already cleared) refused to hold aggro where he should. I've hardly ever seen a group without the potential to win.

    This 'EVERYONE IS TERRIBLE SE NEEDS TO NERF' rhetoric is completely BS. Unless by 'terrible' you mean impatient, and by 'nerf' you mean 'add rewards that are worth the time investment required to get them'. In which case, yeah, okay.
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    Last edited by Krylo; 05-12-2015 at 04:38 PM.

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    Starcade's Avatar
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    Starcade Hellraiser
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    Exodus
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    Lancer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Krylo View Post
    To the people complaining about 'Carebears' and 'Casuals' and 'Poor players making SoF easy'.

    Stop.

    They weren't the problem.

    The problem was the people who cleared day 1 and abandoned.
    No.

    I didn't clear it Day One -- it actually took me a couple weeks of headbanging and watching players completely and deliberately IGNORE the needed mechanics.

    And, regarding your "rhetoric" people like me are taking: The playerbase is (largely) terrible (as in incompetent without being handheld or third-party-programmed) and this isn't a "nerf" -- it blows up the fight.
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    Adam Fylrmyn
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Krylo View Post
    The problem was the people who cleared day 1 and abandoned..
    And also the people who don't communicate and listen to instructions. There were quite a number of players rerunning Steps of Faith on Cactuar on the first few days of release. No clue on other servers, but there were a crap ton of people willing to to SoF again on Cactuar. The problem was that when people realised how horrible some DF groups are with players not communicating, it isn't far fetched to see why players abandon the trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217 View Post
    Sorry, forcing a low skilled player to redo a fight blocking progression will likely cause a rage-quit more than a sudden improvement in skill.
    "Hey I'm impatient! Nerf the fight so I can get through!" - said low skilled player.
    If they made the Heavensward content more difficult than what we have right now, I fear for the future of content.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiritreaver1217 View Post
    Read and agree with whole post.
    Ah, you're one of those guys.
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    Last edited by AdamFyi; 05-12-2015 at 04:48 PM.

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    Khaela Alteri
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFyi View Post
    "Hey I'm impatient! Nerf the fight so I can get through!" - said low skilled player.
    That's not what any players have said though. Or at least very few of the ones trying to progress: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Steps-of-Faith The problem is, has, and will continue to be people leaving immediately. The main things people asked for was not a nerf, but a way to reset to save time. The second most was rewards. Third most was to stop the turtle as he's annoying. But that's a distant third.
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    Adam Fylrmyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylo View Post
    That's not what any players have said though.
    Read the quote I was replying to. Without any context as to what I said, you're creating an argument from nothing. Hint: I was addressing players who "Rage Quit".
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    Spiritreaver E'kenere
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    Diabolos
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    Rogue Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFyi View Post
    Ah, you're one of those guys.
    Sure am, finished SoF week one in DF and have zero problem with other having an easier time than i had.

    You are 100% right there my friend!
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