Patch Notes are up!

[Krylo]

To the people complaining about 'Carebears' and 'Casuals' and 'Poor players making SoF easy'.

Stop.

They weren't the problem.

The problem was the people who cleared day 1 and abandoned.

Which is to say the problem is that SoF has no rewards for the time commitment and was mixed in with trials that take 1/4th the time, and were so over geared that wiping never happens.

This nerf will do little, if anything, to help people clear SoF, because the people who already cleared it still won't get anything for doing it, even if it only takes them 15 minutes and 0 wipes, instead of 60 minutes and 3 wipes. It's still a more 'efficient' use of time to leave, and spend your 30 minute lock out leveling another class/crafting/doing literally anything else.

Everyone else: Stop pretending it is/was too hard for you to complete when you never even got to run it twice within an hour time period to learn it. I've never left an SoF group (except once last night after 4 other people already left, and with apologies to the other guys--but I really didn't have a half hour to wait for it to fill at 6am), and have never seen a group not improve with every attempt--except my first one on day 3 of patch, when the tank (who blamed everyone else, and had already cleared) refused to hold aggro where he should. I've hardly ever seen a group without the potential to win.

This 'EVERYONE IS TERRIBLE SE NEEDS TO NERF' rhetoric is completely BS. Unless by 'terrible' you mean impatient, and by 'nerf' you mean 'add rewards that are worth the time investment required to get them'. In which case, yeah, okay.

[Starcade]

To the people complaining about 'Carebears' and 'Casuals' and 'Poor players making SoF easy'.

Stop.

They weren't the problem.

The problem was the people who cleared day 1 and abandoned.

No.

I didn't clear it Day One -- it actually took me a couple weeks of headbanging and watching players completely and deliberately IGNORE the needed mechanics.

And, regarding your "rhetoric" people like me are taking: The playerbase is (largely) terrible (as in incompetent without being handheld or third-party-programmed) and this isn't a "nerf" -- it blows up the fight.

[AdamFyi]

The problem was the people who cleared day 1 and abandoned..

And also the people who don't communicate and listen to instructions. There were quite a number of players rerunning Steps of Faith on Cactuar on the first few days of release. No clue on other servers, but there were a crap ton of people willing to to SoF again on Cactuar. The problem was that when people realised how horrible some DF groups are with players not communicating, it isn't far fetched to see why players abandon the trial.

Sorry, forcing a low skilled player to redo a fight blocking progression will likely cause a rage-quit more than a sudden improvement in skill.

"Hey I'm impatient! Nerf the fight so I can get through!" - said low skilled player.
If they made the Heavensward content more difficult than what we have right now, I fear for the future of content.

Read and agree with whole post.

Ah, you're one of those guys.

[Krylo]

"Hey I'm impatient! Nerf the fight so I can get through!" - said low skilled player.

That's not what any players have said though. Or at least very few of the ones trying to progress: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Steps-of-Faith The problem is, has, and will continue to be people leaving immediately. The main things people asked for was not a nerf, but a way to reset to save time. The second most was rewards. Third most was to stop the turtle as he's annoying. But that's a distant third.

[AdamFyi]

That's not what any players have said though.

Read the quote I was replying to. Without any context as to what I said, you're creating an argument from nothing. Hint: I was addressing players who "Rage Quit".

[Spiritreaver1217]

Ah, you're one of those guys.

Sure am, finished SoF week one in DF and have zero problem with other having an easier time than i had.

You are 100% right there my friend!

[Chokee]

The problem was the people who cleared day 1 and abandoned..

wait how did i become the problem again?

[AdamFyi]

wait how did i become the problem again?

Apparently because you didn't want to help new players? Dunno. o_0

[Krylo]

And also the people who don't communicate and listen to instructions. There were quite a number of players rerunning Steps of Faith on Cactuar on the first few days of release. No clue on other servers, but there were a crap ton of people willing to to SoF again on Cactuar. The problem was that when people realised how horrible some DF groups are with players not communicating, it isn't far fetched to see why players abandon the trial.

When was this? I literally haven't seen anyone unwilling to communicate in SoF since the first week. (First week is full of a lot of high ilevel players who take a 'lulIcanfacetankanything' attitude to all new content, in my experience, so I'll give you that).

wait how did i become the problem again?

When you rolled Trial Roulette, saw it was SoF, and immediately left the duty making it impossible for any new players to get a group.

Or when you stopped doing Trial Roulettes making it take ages for anyone queuing for their first SoF to get in--only to be faced with half of that group abandoning.

Or when you stopped checking 'in progress' on Trial Roulettes making it impossible to refill an SoF group after half of them have left.

That's the reason there's a lot of people who can't beat it. Hell, the thread on the forums isn't "SoF too hard! Plz nerf!" It's "People immediately abandoning SoF"

Edit: I am partially guilty of two of those myself. When I don't have a lot of time to play, I no longer trial roulette. I still do all my others every day, but Trial is like, twice a week now.

But, I mean, REALLY you aren't the problem. SE is. SoF wasn't too hard, it just doesn't give rewards. If you want to do anything with your game time then you would never do SoF more than once. THAT'S the problem. THAT'S what they need to fix. Nerfing the fight into the ground won't help anything, unless they nerf it so hard you can face roll DPS Vishap down in under five minutes.

[Chokee]

When you rolled Trial Roulette, saw it was SoF, and immediately left the duty making it impossible for any new players to get a group.

Or when you stopped doing Trial Roulettes making it take ages for anyone queuing for their first SoF to get in--only to be faced with half of that group abandoning.

Or when you stopped checking 'in progress' on Trial Roulettes making it impossible to refill an SoF group after half of them have left.

nah i didn't do any of those. i got my clear and went back afk'ing until 3.0 hits.