Is there some unspoken rule to not use Esuna/Leech?

[SummonerSenah]

I think a lot of healers just don't know and don't experiment enough. By that I mean, they try to esuna or leech something and it doesn't work, so they assume that's always the case. If you actually heal a lot and run a lot of different content, and you try to clear debuffs every time, you'll learn which you can get rid of and which ones you can't. When I was farming Garuda ex for the pony, a lot of healers new to the fight didn't know they could dispel windbite until I told them.

[Genz]

I think a lot of healers just don't know and don't experiment enough. By that I mean, they try to esuna or leech something and it doesn't work, so they assume that's always the case.

^this
There is a rule in design, along the lines of : if two things have the same appearance, they must have the same function.
But status effects in FFXIV can have the same appearance (icon) but not the same function (some can be removed with esuna, and some can't, even if they share the same icon)

I think they actually bothered to make 2 different icons for poison (green icon = can be removed, purple = can't be removed), but for paralyze, silence, etc. you just have to guess.

[Zohar_Lahar]

^this
There is a rule in design, along the lines of : if two things have the same appearance, they must have the same function.
But status effects in FFXIV can have the same appearance (icon) but not the same function (some can be removed with esuna, and some can't, even if they share the same icon)

I think they actually bothered to make 2 different icons for poison (green icon = can be removed, purple = can't be removed), but for paralyze, silence, etc. you just have to guess.

I really hate when they do that. If variant status effect can't be treated with Esuna/Leeches, it should be distinguished clearly from the versions that can.

[Keylus]

As healer I remove everything that can be removed, at least as SCH I don't have mana problems
The only problem I have is to know what I need to remove in an alliance, I know that they have a debuff because they have that red ▼, but sometimes it's a unremovable debuff ((like resurrect weakness))
I remember that once I get blamed in Brayflox for not remove the poison in the last boss ((the tank was a flan, at 4 stacks he nearly died in each tick))... SCH don't have Leech until nv 40 ;-;

[Lillia]

As healer I remove everything that can be removed, at least as SCH I don't have mana problems
The only problem I have is to know what I need to remove in an alliance, I know that they have a debuff because they have that red ▼, but sometimes it's a unremovable debuff ((like resurrect weakness))
I remember that once I get blamed in Brayflox for not remove the poison in the last boss ((the tank was a flan, at 4 stacks he nearly died in each tick))... SCH don't have Leech until nv 40 ;-;

Yeah, I try to leave the alliance debuffs to the alliance healers but instead try to heal with them/res them if they die if I have the time and ability to do so. ( I remember SCH Bray, So awful.... ;-; )

*gives consoling hug*

[Teryaani]

As healer I remove everything that can be removed, at least as SCH I don't have mana problems
The only problem I have is to know what I need to remove in an alliance, I know that they have a debuff because they have that red ▼, but sometimes it's a unremovable debuff ((like resurrect weakness))
I remember that once I get blamed in Brayflox for not remove the poison in the last boss ((the tank was a flan, at 4 stacks he nearly died in each tick))... SCH don't have Leech until nv 40 ;-;

I feel you on that. It got bad enough that my wife, who mains SCH, started out bray runs with "Just a reminder, I can't do anything about the debuff".

Depends on the dungeon and HP. I've seen far too many healers who refuse to Leeches/Esuna when everybody is at a high HP amount. I'm pretty sure those are the moments he's referring to.

That's what I was thinking too. Healing is situational, but when that situation is okay and the healer is standing around waiting for damage to heal and your dps has a paralysis debuff, they aren't really trying

[Tiggy]

I guess as long as the enemies are dying and the party is not, what's the difference?

Blatant willful ignorance because reasons.

It's not acceptable to force people to play poorly because the healer is being lazy. For example paralysis to a blm immediately ruins their damage. Failing to remove it literally forces them to do poorly in both damage and dodging mechanics. It's unacceptable to force the effects of lazy play on others.

[Eidolon]

Some content it's not a good idea to remove the effect. As another said, Gilgamesh's Battle on the Big Bridge can bypass mechanics.

Other content, it's not possible to remove certain effects. Paralysis inflicted by Thunderstruck is an example, and a punishment for failing a mechanic.


I won't deny, there at times to remove the effects. Slow if possible is the biggest one for all classes, Paralyze should always prioritize casters, Disease on tanks, and certain DoT's like Melusine's Venomous tail have to be removed. Trust your healer to know whcih is best to remove, and which to ignore.

Lastly, some content it takes lower priority over actually healing because of a constant re-application of the debuff. Tam Tara Deepcroft's bosses that apply Poison is an example of this - try to esuna all the poisons, and you're more like to lose the tank or DPS to the damage you weren't healing than you saved yourself healing by remove those constantly-spammed effects.

[MatthiasS]

When I play my SCH, its my "healers choice tree"

Is my HP critical?
Is Tanks HP Critical?
Does tank have any debuffs(or am I paralyzed?)?
Is DPS HP Critical?
Do I have any debuffs?
Does DPS have any debuffs?

Of course, this various in situations where I know the debuffs are more deadly then usual, but in most cases, particularly 4 man content, a dead healer is a wipe, anything else can be fixed.

[synesthetic]

Big Bridge/Big Keep aren't really good examples of when to not cleanse debuffs here, since Esuna/Leeches does nothing for them.
Big Bridge's confusion is cured by healing the target to full.
Big Keep's mini is cured by having the tethered pair run into each other.

I actually can't think of any fight where a debuff that can be Esuna'd/Leeched shouldn't be cured for any reason.